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Old 11-02-2011, 09:27 AM   #21
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Old 11-03-2011, 04:38 AM   #22
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Vojnik/TLWR/GeorgeS, I find the below part interesting and worthy of further exploration, but I would think it makes more sense in the following order Vinca -> Phoenician -> Greek -> Cyrillic (of course with great variations and added elements, if that is how it actually evolved). There is nothing to suggest a direct link from Vinca to Cyrillic as far as I am aware.
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The Vinca culture shows a much older SCRIPT dated as far as 6000 BC. IT is more logical to say that the Phoenicians, and then consequently the Greeks have taken the alphabet (the phonetic one) from the people of the Vinca culture, rather than the other way round.
The problem is, languages change and evolve, particularly when they don't have a consistent and continual literature, and even then, they are subject to change. Thus, it is extremely difficult to accurately determine the sound for each character, let alone how the words would have sounded. The works on Linear B may be of some use given the similarity of a few symbols, but still, even they aren't concrete and we're talking about inscriptions that were made circa 8000 years ago. I have touched on this subject on the below thread:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ighlight=vinca

As for Vasil Iljov's 'decipherments', here is what I think:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ighlight=iljov
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:37 AM   #23
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Do you or anyone on this forum believe that the Vinca culture is in somewhat associated with the Macedonian one?
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:54 AM   #24
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There is a distant historical association, but there is also about 8000 years of evolution from then till now. What sort of cultural association are you thinking of?
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There is a distant historical association, but there is also about 8000 years of evolution from then till now. What sort of cultural association are you thinking of?
I was thinking if the Macedonian and Vinca culture draw any similarities.

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vojnik, what are your own views about the vinca...?
The thing is I don't have any never really studied it. That's why I was asking members here about views on it. I'll spend the next few days studying it...
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I was thinking if the Macedonian and Vinca culture draw any similarities.
I understand what you're saying, but to even begin discussing cultural similarities of a more specific nature we need to identify Vinca culture for the purpose of comparison with Macedonian. So I guess the next question is where do we start: Farming? Burials? Customs? Should we really be trying to find direct links to civilisations from several thousand years ago, or accept that our culture today is the product of continued cultural evolution in Macedonia, which includes (but is not limited to) the cultures from Vinca, Kokino, Kostur, etc? I think the latter is a better option and starting point.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:38 AM   #28
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Well said SOM & thanks for informing us about the scripts.They reckon that the vinca is older than the sumerian & egyptian writings by thousands of years.I think as you say to try to associate vinca with macedonian needs more cooberation & evidence.I read that originally they came from anatolia someplace.

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I understand what you're saying, but to even begin discussing cultural similarities of a more specific nature we need to identify Vinca culture for the purpose of comparison with Macedonian. So I guess the next question is where do we start: Farming? Burials? Customs? Should we really be trying to find direct links to civilisations from several thousand years ago, or accept that our culture today is the product of continued cultural evolution in Macedonia, which includes (but is not limited to) the cultures from Vinca, Kokino, Kostur, etc? I think the latter is a better option and starting point.
I'd say yes today we'd except that Macedonia today is a product of a cultural evolution just like every other nation. What I should have asked is was there any similarities between the Ancient Macedonian culture and that of Vinca? Is the Vinca culture classed as part of the Ancient Macedonian culture? Or is Vinca a culture that influenced the Ancient Macedonians?
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Кокино - едно од најмистичните места во светот

http://www.kurir.mk/makedonija/vesti...esta-vo-svetot

Македонија е средиште на најстарите цивилизации. Докази за ова тврдење има многу, а еден од најсилните е се разбира Кокино.



Место исполнето со мистика и траги од цивилизација од пред неколку илјади години.

Станува збор мегалитска опсерваторија која се наоѓа во атарот на селото Старо Нагоричане. Од Скопје е одалечено 50 километри воздушна линија, а од Куманово 35 километри.

Името го добива по најблиското село Кокино. Опсерваторијата случајно е откриена во 2001 година, од страна на бугарски и македонски археолози.



Мегалитската опсерваторија се наоѓа на неовулкански рид. Карпите се создадени со стврднувањето на лавата, која истекла од вулкански кратер. Времето и ерозијата направиле процепи и дел од тие процепи биле главните маркери низ кои се следеле циклусите на Сонцето и Месечината и се мерело времето. Камените маркери во минатото ги означувале местата за изгревање на Сонцето и Месечината во периодите на кусодневица, рамнодневица и долгодневица, како и нивните отклони. Местата на изгревање кои се опфаќаат со природните маркери на мегалитните стени во Кокино укажуваат дека изгревањата на исто место на Сонцето се повторуваат на 18,6 години. Веројатно некои членови на племенската заедница имале задача секојдневно да ги следат движењата на небесните тела и да прават календари за одредување на деновите за ритуалните обреди, како и за започнување на сезонските работи во земјоделството и сточарството.

Опсерваторијата е сместена на две скалести платформи од кои се следеле планетите. На горната платформа се пронајдени траги од неколку објекти и делови на керамика.

Кокино не е само опсерваторија, туку и светилиште и култура на луѓе што живееле во бронзениот период, од 18-ти до 20 век пред наша ера, во исто време со Минојците на Крит и со Хититите во Анадолија. Тоа го тврди Ѓоре Ценев, раководител на истражувањата на теренот во североисточна Македонија.

Локалитетите на Кокино ги исполнуваат сите светски стандарди за официјално да можат да се наречат светилишта - идентични се како оние што се наоѓаат на Блискиот Исток и на Медитеранот. Специфично е и тоа што светилиштата се наоѓаат меѓу две реки, Пчиња и Крива Река, што е правило и за другите светски светилишта. Сместени се на врвови на планини, чиј пристап е невозможен од три страни, поради стрмните или недостапни падини, истакнува Ценев.



Мегалитната опсерваторија во Кокино се вбројува меѓу највредните стари опсерватории во светот. Заради тоа, во 2005 година година, Американската вселенска агенција НАСА во листата од 15 вакви опсерватории во светот го рангираше Кокино на четвртото место.

Првите четири опсерватории според НАСА се:

1. Абу Симбел- Египет

2. Стоунхенџ- Велика Британија

3. Ангкор Ват- Камбоџа

4. Кокино- Република Македонија

Сите овие опсерватории се светски познати места, кои привлекуваат голем број на туристи, па со мал ангажман и нашиот локалитет Кокино, може да се најде на светската туристичка мапа.
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