Ion Dragoumis recognizes the Macedonian language in 1907! - Page 5

Soldier of Macedon · 09-22-2011, 05:57 PM

You're right, missed that one. In Macedonian it is used more in a religious context, whereas in Croatian and Serbian it is more generally applied. To distinguish it properly, it would probably be 'tato' for dad and 'otec' for father.

Daskalot · 09-23-2011, 02:36 AM

So then it is likely that Drago-, Otto-, Jandar- does not have a Turkish root. But rather a foreign that was incorporated into the Turkish vocabulary.

Soldier of Macedon · 09-23-2011, 02:48 AM

Not sure Daskale, it could have something to do with the possible interaction between PIE and a Proto-Altaic language. Another word that seems similar is the one for 'gold', see below for a comparison between Indo-European languages and Turkic:

Quote:

aurum (Latin)
aur (Romanian)
ar (Albanian)
oro (Italian)
ór (Irish-Celtic)

zar (Old Iranian)

altan (Turkic)

salta (Thracian)
zalto (Proto-Slavic)
zelts (Latvian)
zlato (Macedonian)

gold (German)
guld (Dannish)
gull (Norwegian)

Daskalot · 09-23-2011, 03:07 AM

Lets look at the Turkish word, Jandarman which translates into English as police/soldier.
It is a loan word from the French language, GEN D' ARMERIE see here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie
The Turkish language has many French loans.

Onur · 09-23-2011, 06:27 AM

You guys are trying to analyze the words which belongs to totally different categories. The word and the concept of "gendarmarie" created not more than 200-300 years ago but "gold" exists since antiquity. So, both of you are right but you are talking about vastly different periods.

Btw, Turkish has many French loans, i think it`s around ~5000 words today but all of them came after 1800s. It was because of dominance of francophonie in all around Europe in 18-19th century and the fact that Turkish modernism, industrialism being adopted from France for the first time.

For the word "gendarmarie", i can say that this French word entered Turkish after 1830s, when Ottoman empire was trying to form a modern army after janissary squad has been abolished.

Soldier of Macedon · 09-23-2011, 08:52 PM

Onur, from Daskalot's post I was only making reference to 'otto' and 'man', which is why I cited the word for 'gold' also, I should have clarified that. Jandar is a more recent word.

George S. · 09-23-2011, 11:21 PM

i'm promted to think back in bitola my grandfather was telling me that if i was naughty the jandar was going to get me or the jandarot.I learned that in this area there was a french soldiers cemetary near caramani.I learned that jandar meant policeman.

09-22-2011, 05:57 PM	#41
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	You're right, missed that one. In Macedonian it is used more in a religious context, whereas in Croatian and Serbian it is more generally applied. To distinguish it properly, it would probably be 'tato' for dad and 'otec' for father. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

09-23-2011, 02:36 AM	#42
Daskalot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In a Library Posts: 4,345	So then it is likely that Drago-, Otto-, Jandar- does not have a Turkish root. But rather a foreign that was incorporated into the Turkish vocabulary. __________________ Macedonian Truth Organisation

09-23-2011, 03:07 AM	#44
Daskalot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In a Library Posts: 4,345	Lets look at the Turkish word, Jandarman which translates into English as police/soldier. It is a loan word from the French language, GEN D' ARMERIE see here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie The Turkish language has many French loans. __________________ Macedonian Truth Organisation

09-23-2011, 06:27 AM	#45
Onur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkiye Posts: 2,389	You guys are trying to analyze the words which belongs to totally different categories. The word and the concept of "gendarmarie" created not more than 200-300 years ago but "gold" exists since antiquity. So, both of you are right but you are talking about vastly different periods. Btw, Turkish has many French loans, i think it`s around ~5000 words today but all of them came after 1800s. It was because of dominance of francophonie in all around Europe in 18-19th century and the fact that Turkish modernism, industrialism being adopted from France for the first time. For the word "gendarmarie", i can say that this French word entered Turkish after 1830s, when Ottoman empire was trying to form a modern army after janissary squad has been abolished. Last edited by Onur; 09-23-2011 at 06:34 AM.

09-23-2011, 08:52 PM	#46
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Onur, from Daskalot's post I was only making reference to 'otto' and 'man', which is why I cited the word for 'gold' also, I should have clarified that. Jandar is a more recent word. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

09-23-2011, 11:21 PM	#47
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	i'm promted to think back in bitola my grandfather was telling me that if i was naughty the jandar was going to get me or the jandarot.I learned that in this area there was a french soldiers cemetary near caramani.I learned that jandar meant policeman. Last edited by George S.; 09-23-2011 at 11:24 PM.

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