Characteristics of East, West and South Slavic - Page 3

Delodephius · 12-25-2008, 05:03 PM

Except in dialects of Slovenian and Upper Sorbian there is only in Lower Sorbian. Fragments of the Dual tense forms however exist in all Slavic languages for example in words that describe things that come in pairs like eyes, hands, legs, etc. and the case declension of numeral two. Here is na example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_(g...avic_languages

There also exist in some Slavic languages in some words a tense called Paucal which applies to "small" number of things that are two, three and four and normally has a different Nominative case than in higher quantity of things. For example (in Serbian) - sat (clock):
jedan sat
dva, tri, četiri sata
pet, šest, sedam, etc. sati

Soldier of Macedon · 01-01-2009, 07:25 PM

Slovak, are you aware of any words specifically used in South Slavic but not in the East and West? I can think of two from the top of my head, Kuche/Kuchuk for 'Dog' and Magare/Magarac for 'Donkey'.

Delodephius · 01-01-2009, 08:01 PM

I can't think of any without them being taken from Turkish or via Turkish from other languages. I even think "kuče" might be a Persian word.

Oak in Serbian is "hrast" for example. Let me check the Serbian dictionary:
brašno - flour
dlaka - hair
gljiva - mushroom
grana - branch
guzica - butt, ass
guša - goitre, gullet, throat
... and I'm sure there are more.

Soldier of Macedon · 01-01-2009, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slovak

brašno - flour
dlaka - hair
gljiva - mushroom
grana - branch
guzica - butt, ass
guša - goitre, gullet, throat

In Macedonian it is pretty much the same except we would say pechurka - mushroom and kosa - hair. So these words are not used outside of the Balkans where it concerns the Slavic languages?

Check some more out if you can, I began thinking about it and wondered if we can highlight any that may be of Thraco-Illyrian origin, but as I have found up until now, most if not all Thraco-Illyrian words that can be linked to a Slavic language usually features in all of the Slavic languages. This supports the fact that the Thraco-Illyrian languages were at the very least already related to the Slavic languages prior to the invasions of the 6th century.

Delodephius · 01-01-2009, 10:00 PM

The word "dlaka" doesn't stand solely for the hair on your head, but it means a single thread of hair, anywhere. It can also mean "fur" in some context, although "fur" is called "krzno", which is also apparently another South Slavic word. Hair on the head is also called "kosa" in Serbian. "Kosa" is also used in Ukrainian and Russian.
"Pečurka" is also used in Serbian, but only for those that have a "hat".

Soldier of Macedon · 01-02-2009, 12:33 AM

It would be good to compile a list of words unique to the South Slavic languages, preference being to have the words used by at least one of the nations on each side of the Balkans (Illyria + Macedonia/Thrace).

Kuche/Kuchuk may indeed be a Persian word, some have proposed that it derives from Bulgar origins, but how would that explain somebody on the other side of the Balkan Peninsula in Dalmatia using the same word? Could it have derived from the Croat and/or Serb tribes, who are also proposed by some to have had Iranian origins prior to their admixture with the Slavs in the western Balkans and north of the western side of the Danube?

Grana/Granka brings forth an interesting case, it is cited by Hesychius of Alexandria in the 5th century in the form of 'Garkan' as a native word of Macedonia meaning 'branch', that has the Greek word of 'Ravdi' as its closest equivalent. There can be no mistaking that there is a striking similarity to the same word used today in the South Slavic languages, is the same word used in Slovak or Russian?

Same thing with Gusha, is it used outside of the Balkans, if not, we will add it on the list below.

Gljiva probably has variant words equivalent in other Slavic languages, such as Gobji in Slovenian, Grib in Russian, Grzyb in Polish, and even in the Baltic cousins such as Grybai in Lithuanian. Do you think they are from the same origin? Pechurka on the other hand seems to be native only to South Slavic.

With regard to the word Brashno for 'flour', I did a quick check on Google Translate and it is not present in West Slavic or Russian, but it is in Ukrainian as Boroshna. What do you make of that?

So far there are the following:

Magare/Magarac
G'z/Gas/Gus
Pechurka

El Bre · 01-02-2009, 01:17 AM

Quote:

The word "dlaka" doesn't stand solely for the hair on your head, but it means a single thread of hair

Sounds similar to vlackno

Sarafot · 01-02-2009, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas

Oak in Serbian is "hrast" for example. Let me check the Serbian dictionary:
brašno - flour
dlaka - hair
gljiva - mushroom
grana - branch
guzica - butt, ass
guša - goitre, gullet, throat
... and I'm sure there are more.

IN Macedonian

Oak-Dab
brašno - flour
vlakno - hair
gaba - mushroom
granka - branch
gaz - butt, ass
guša/grkljan - goitre, gullet, throat

IN Slovenian

Oak-Hrast
moka - flour
dlaka - hair
goba - mushroom
veja- branch
rit - butt, ass
goltanec - goitre, gullet, throat

Original Macedonian is Gaba-pečurka is more Serbo-Croatian,and is used in some Macedonian dialects.

Soldier of Macedon · 01-02-2009, 09:43 AM

To tell you the truth, I have never even heard of the word 'goba', 'grib', etc for a mushroom until this thread. I would say that 'pechurka' is used way more by Macedonians, at least the one's I have known. It is definetly not from Serbian influence, the Bulgarians use it also.

Jankovska · 01-02-2009, 12:36 PM

Gaba (pechurka) is very much used in Macedonia, south Macedonia mostly

12-25-2008, 05:03 PM	#21
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	Except in dialects of Slovenian and Upper Sorbian there is only in Lower Sorbian. Fragments of the Dual tense forms however exist in all Slavic languages for example in words that describe things that come in pairs like eyes, hands, legs, etc. and the case declension of numeral two. Here is na example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_(g...avic_languages There also exist in some Slavic languages in some words a tense called Paucal which applies to "small" number of things that are two, three and four and normally has a different Nominative case than in higher quantity of things. For example (in Serbian) - sat (clock): jedan sat dva, tri, četiri sata pet, šest, sedam, etc. sati __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family. Last edited by Delodephius; 12-25-2008 at 05:10 PM.

01-01-2009, 07:25 PM	#22
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Slovak, are you aware of any words specifically used in South Slavic but not in the East and West? I can think of two from the top of my head, Kuche/Kuchuk for 'Dog' and Magare/Magarac for 'Donkey'. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

01-01-2009, 08:01 PM	#23
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	I can't think of any without them being taken from Turkish or via Turkish from other languages. I even think "kuče" might be a Persian word. Oak in Serbian is "hrast" for example. Let me check the Serbian dictionary: brašno - flour dlaka - hair gljiva - mushroom grana - branch guzica - butt, ass guša - goitre, gullet, throat ... and I'm sure there are more. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

01-01-2009, 10:00 PM	#25
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	The word "dlaka" doesn't stand solely for the hair on your head, but it means a single thread of hair, anywhere. It can also mean "fur" in some context, although "fur" is called "krzno", which is also apparently another South Slavic word. Hair on the head is also called "kosa" in Serbian. "Kosa" is also used in Ukrainian and Russian. "Pečurka" is also used in Serbian, but only for those that have a "hat". __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

01-02-2009, 12:33 AM	#26
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	It would be good to compile a list of words unique to the South Slavic languages, preference being to have the words used by at least one of the nations on each side of the Balkans (Illyria + Macedonia/Thrace). Kuche/Kuchuk may indeed be a Persian word, some have proposed that it derives from Bulgar origins, but how would that explain somebody on the other side of the Balkan Peninsula in Dalmatia using the same word? Could it have derived from the Croat and/or Serb tribes, who are also proposed by some to have had Iranian origins prior to their admixture with the Slavs in the western Balkans and north of the western side of the Danube? Grana/Granka brings forth an interesting case, it is cited by Hesychius of Alexandria in the 5th century in the form of 'Garkan' as a native word of Macedonia meaning 'branch', that has the Greek word of 'Ravdi' as its closest equivalent. There can be no mistaking that there is a striking similarity to the same word used today in the South Slavic languages, is the same word used in Slovak or Russian? Same thing with Gusha, is it used outside of the Balkans, if not, we will add it on the list below. Gljiva probably has variant words equivalent in other Slavic languages, such as Gobji in Slovenian, Grib in Russian, Grzyb in Polish, and even in the Baltic cousins such as Grybai in Lithuanian. Do you think they are from the same origin? Pechurka on the other hand seems to be native only to South Slavic. With regard to the word Brashno for 'flour', I did a quick check on Google Translate and it is not present in West Slavic or Russian, but it is in Ukrainian as Boroshna. What do you make of that? So far there are the following: Magare/Magarac G'z/Gas/Gus Pechurka __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

01-02-2009, 09:43 AM	#29
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	To tell you the truth, I have never even heard of the word 'goba', 'grib', etc for a mushroom until this thread. I would say that 'pechurka' is used way more by Macedonians, at least the one's I have known. It is definetly not from Serbian influence, the Bulgarians use it also. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

01-02-2009, 12:36 PM	#30
Jankovska Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,774	Gaba (pechurka) is very much used in Macedonia, south Macedonia mostly

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