Miscellaneous quotes Macedonia

[Philosopher]

In the works of St. Chrysostom:

"For this nation of the Macedonians, before the coming of Christ, was renowned, and celebrated everywhere more than the Romans. And the Romans were admired on this account, tha tthey took them captive...For he was called 'Alexander, the Macedonian.'"

Notice the saint writes "nation"; it would be odd to compare the Romans, a nation, to a Greek tribe, with the appellation nation.

On May 21, 1880, the Provisional government of Macedonia contacted the Russian Consul general in Thessaloniki, N. Ulyanov, advising him that 'at international congresses of the Great Powers, Macedonia has been left an orphan...only Macedonia, which had its own civilization in ancient times and had given birth to Aristotle and Alexander the Great, is deprived of any help' and that, if the Sublime Porte did not take any steps to implement the Article twenty-three, 'the Porivsional government of Macedonia will summon the Macedonian people to take up the arms under the slogan: Macedonia to the Macedonians, for Macedonia, for re-establishment of ancient Macedonia.'"

Interesting, considering this predates Tito's "invention" of Macedonia in 1945 or so.

[Royal Hellas]

Was it 1945 or 1944?

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Philosopher

In the works of St. Chrysostom:

"For this nation of the Macedonians, before the coming of Christ, was renowned, and celebrated everywhere more than the Romans. And the Romans were admired on this account, tha tthey took them captive...For he was called 'Alexander, the Macedonian.'"

Notice the saint writes "nation"; it would be odd to compare the Romans, a nation, to a Greek tribe, with the appellation nation.

On May 21, 1880, the Provisional government of Macedonia contacted the Russian Consul general in Thessaloniki, N. Ulyanov, advising him that 'at international congresses of the Great Powers, Macedonia has been left an orphan...only Macedonia, which had its own civilization in ancient times and had given birth to Aristotle and Alexander the Great, is deprived of any help' and that, if the Sublime Porte did not take any steps to implement the Article twenty-three, 'the Porivsional government of Macedonia will summon the Macedonian people to take up the arms under the slogan: Macedonia to the Macedonians, for Macedonia, for re-establishment of ancient Macedonia.'"

Interesting, considering this predates Tito's "invention" of Macedonia in 1945 or so.

Sure, but a Greek would argue that Macedonia was a Nation of Greeks. The "Nation" is not whats in dispute - its the ethnic identity of that nation.

When Alexader is being described as "the Macedonian", what would that have meant at that time? And, secondly, how would a modern Greek interpret it, and why?

[Philosopher]

It was August 2, 1944.

I used 1945 because it is a more "even sounding" number. Hence, the phrase "around 1945 or so."

[Jankovska]

Originally Posted by Royal Hellas

Was it 1945 or 1944?

Relevent how? Are you here to mock people or you are here to actually have a grown up conversation?

[malenka]

It is miscellaneous! Or you decided to round that up to (na dve-na tri). Dyslexia as well as dyscalculia. What else is wrong with you?

[Risto the Great]

Fixed!

Anyway, it is all a little humourous to read of a Macedonian Nation in antiquity as compared to city States in what is now Greece. Again, the glory of Macedonia in antiquity is something the Greeks wish to claim in modern times at the expense of modern Macedonians. Why? What gives Greece one bit of claim in relation to the Macedonians of antiquity?