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Old 10-23-2018, 09:12 AM   #11
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It seems that this certain period in Macedonia's history is marked by revolt. Here's something I hope you consider adding into the chronological order you have already established SoM;




Lesok is in the Tetovo region. My theory http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...p?t=948&page=5 is that a majority of these revolts centered in the Northernly areas of Macedonia.

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Old 10-23-2018, 04:43 PM   #12
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Would you recommend this book?

I read it 10+ years ago, it's a good book.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:36 AM   #13
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In the year 1611 Epirus experienced a short-lived revolt led by Bishop Dionysius the Philosopher, which resulting in severe Ottoman reprisals. Peace was by no means assured as the Archbishopric of Ohrid continued to be a dominant and influental factor on the territory of Macedonia and the greater region. In a letter from Pope Urban VIII to the Archbishop of Ohrid Porphyrius Palaelogus, which was written in the year 1624, the following address is made: "To the respected brothers Porphyrius Paleologus, Patriarch of Justiniana Prima of Ohrid and the other subordinate archbishops, bishops of Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania and of the other side of Macedonia".

The fact that the local population cited in these regions speak a Slavonic language is further corroborated in the links below from the year 1630, which cite Slavonic as the dominant tongue of the region, it is the vulgar speech of the Macedonians.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...read.php?t=387
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...read.php?t=390


Another short-lived revolt against the Turks occured in the year 1639 which began in the village of Gaveto in Macedonia, but a few decades later stakes were raised as the activity of the Macedonian rebels coincided with an Austrian push southward against the common enemy. In the years prior to the Karposh Uprising, places like Bitola, Voden, Veles and Prilep had been rebelling against the Turks due to the regular injustices endured by the Christian populations. During the 1680's the Austrians did battle against the Turks and encouraged the local population under Ottoman rule to revolt. Their declarations were addressed to the Christians of "Albania, Servia, Mysia, Bulgaria, Silistria, Illyria, Macedonia and Rashka", and the Macedonians appear most emboldened by the events. Parts of the region errupted in rebellion, the most notable in Macedonia being led by Karposh the "King of Kumanovo", as another declaration by the Emperor Leopold of Austria spoke about "two Macedonians, Marko Kraida born in Kozhani and Dimitri Georgi Popovic, born in Macedonian Salonika, have told us that the Macedonian people, with respect for our most righteous task......"

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/...eopold-i-1690/

Unfortunately, the rebellion was short-lived as the Turks captured and executed Karposh while regaining control of the Macedonian regions.
Where is Gaveto? Can't find any info on it
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:00 AM   #14
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I suspect it could be Gjavato, that is being referred to in the document - a Bitola village located on the slopes of Baba Planina. This used to be a very large Macedonian village back in the day. Really interesting stuff and a pity not enough information survives about this revolt as I'm sure it would have attracted volunteers from many of the surrounding mountain villages in the area, including my own, Brusnik.
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I suspect it could be Gjavato, that is being referred to in the document - a Bitola village located on the slopes of Baba Planina. This used to be a very large Macedonian village back in the day. Really interesting stuff and a pity not enough information survives about this revolt as I'm sure it would have attracted volunteers from many of the surrounding mountain villages in the area, including my own, Brusnik.
Does the village still exist?
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Old 05-03-2020, 03:54 AM   #16
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Does the village still exist?
Yes it does and I finally found some info on this rebellion. It was in the Bitola village of Gjavato as I suspected and it happened in the year 1639.


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Селото се споменува во османлиски даночни регистри на немуслиманското население од вилает Манастир од 1611-1612 година со 60 домаќинства.

Во 1639 во Ѓавато имало буна против Османлиската власт. Непосреден повод за нејзиното избувнување било апсењето на ајдутинот Белче. Селаните се спротивставиле. Спомнати во предводувањето на буната во с. Ѓавато се Митре, Никола, Илија и Голе. Започнала борба во која Турците имале пушки и сабји, а селаните вили и стапови. Неколку селани загинале, Белче бил убиен, по што Турците му ја отсекле главата и му ја однеле на кадијата како доказ дека бил ликвидиран.
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In 1639, in Gjavato, a rebellion was undertaken against Osmanli rule. The ultimate reason for it's occurence was the arrest of the aydutin, Belche.
(Note: aydutin is deived from the Turkish word, hayduk, meaning bandit. To Macedonians, the word aydutin came to signify something more. Ayduci were heroic men that gave up a normal way of life and left everything they knew behind them to go and live in the mountains, dedicating their lives to protecting the local Christian peasantry from certain particularly savage-types of Turkish overlords and/or Albanian opportunists.)
The villagers rebelled as a result. The leadership of the rebellion in Gjavato included Mitre, Nikola, Ilija and Gole. A battle ensued in which the Turks used guns and sabres while the villagers used pitchforks and wooden clubs. Some villagers perished, including Belche, whom the Turks decapitated and presented his head to the Turkish Kadia as proof of his liquidation.

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It looks like that link on Gjavato isn't working properly so I'll try again:

https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%83...81%D0%BA%D0%BE)
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It looks like that link on Gjavato isn't working properly so I'll try again:

https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%83...81%D0%BA%D0%BE)
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Legend! Thanks Amphipolis. I have no idea why it wouldn't work for me.
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There may have been another uprising in Macedonia in 1571: English Wikipedia's entry on Ser states the Christians in the city rebelled in that year following the Ottoman loss at Lepanto. The source referenced is Siroz (1997) by Alexandra Yerolimpos, which was published in the Encyclopaedia of Islam
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