The Thracian people and language

[Philosopher]

Originally Posted by Nikolaj

[i]This paper offers an etymological analysis of more than 60 Thracian toponyms, hydronyms and oronyms.
It presents the evidence that the Slavs were the indigenous population in the region, in agreement to the testimony of Simokatta, who equated Thracians (called Getae) with the Old Slavs:

Old Slavs? Again what is with this Slav stuff?

Who is this author?

Slavs were not the indigenous people of the Balkans, as there were and are no Slavs.

[Nikolaj]

Originally Posted by Philosopher

Old Slavs? Again what is with this Slav stuff?

Who is this author?

Slavs were not the indigenous people of the Balkans, as there were and are no Slavs.

Let me clarify a few things. I would have thought you knew me better than that Philosopher.

1) Slavic people do not exist and the word Slav is a misinterpreted anachronistic term.

2) There were never a Slavic people or language. I am only using this terminology to tackle what is now accepted history (Slavs).
Without doing so, you wouldn't have the slightest clue to what I am referring to. It is also important to be able to understand what the author is talking about too.

3) I especially do not believe in the Slavic migration theory.

Who is this author? It looks like some Bulgarian guy I have never heard of; at most I think he runs a blog.

[Philosopher]

Originally Posted by Nikolaj

Let me clarify a few things. I would have thought you knew me better than that Philosopher.

1) Slavic people do not exist and the word Slav is a misinterpreted anachronistic term.

2) There were never a Slavic people or language. I am only using this terminology to tackle what is now accepted history (Slavs).
Without doing so, you wouldn't have the slightest clue to what I am referring to. It is also important to be able to understand what the author is talking about too.

3) I especially do not believe in the Slavic migration theory.

Who is this author? It looks like some Bulgarian guy I have never heard of; at most I think he runs a blog.

My post was not an attack on you, Nikola.

I know you understand the subject well.

My reply was geared towards the author.

Anyway, judging from his comments about Turkish mixture in Bulgarians, and his use of the word "Slav", and Thracians, it makes sense he is Bulgarian.

I still do not know who this guy is or what his credentials are.

[Nikolaj]

All good.

I did actually spend a good 10 minutes trying to find out who he was last night, it wasn't very apparent though.

I do appreciate his work regardless because it does seem he is knowledgeable on the subject. He does state in his acknowledgement PhD professors that do review his work.
He has other work like 'Evidence for Early Slavic presence in Minoan Crete', where he affiliated with some guy named Giancarlo Tomezzoli.

I am really just giving his work a try because it goes against the Slavic migration theory; one of the more important things we should continue discussing on this forum (well I believe so).

[Philosopher]

Originally Posted by Nikolaj

He has other work like 'Evidence for Early Slavic presence in Minoan Crete', where he affiliated with some guy named Giancarlo Tomezzoli.

I scanned this document.

One of the things that struck me was this statement:

A strong argument for the connection of proto-Slavs with Crete is the recent genetic research showing that the Slavic Macedonians are genetically closer to the Cretans than the Greeks are [19]. That is a clear and undisputable indication for the past presence of proto-Slavic people on Crete.

This is based on the Arnaiz-Villlena study.

It is interesting to note that there was a study conducted after this, done in Macedonia, with a somewhat different conclusion.

The observed closest standard genetic distance between the studied Macedonian population and the Greek population (SGD=2.77, GD=6.35) is not in concord with that published by Arnaiz-Villena et al. (21), who point out the close genetic relatedness of the Macedonian population to that of the Cretans and to the great genetic distance between Macedonians and the Greeks coming from Attica, Cyprus and northern Greece.

Bearing in mind the differences in the allele frequencies in the Macedonians in our study and those in the study of Arnaiz-Villena et al., we believe that the discordance of the observations in both the studies investigating the HLA polymorphism is probably due to the selection of difference subject populations.

In both studies, however, Cretans were very close.

[Philosopher]

A strong argument for the connection of proto-Slavs with Crete is the recent genetic research showing that the Slavic Macedonians are genetically closer to the Cretans than the Greeks are [19]. That is a clear and undisputable indication for the past presence of proto-Slavic people on Crete.

The Bulgarian author has a habit of distinguishing Slav Macedonians from Macedonians. While he believes the Thracians and Illyrians were proto-Slavs, it does not appear he entertains the same notion about the ancient Macedonians.

It is almost as if he believes that modern day Macedonians were historically another ethnicity and nation (possibly Thracian), and later adapted a Macedonian consciousness.

[Nikolaj]

Philosopher,

The reason why I am getting into Thrace is because I am trying to find an explanation to how the 'Slavic' language has always been in the Balkans. This would also make it very realistic for the Macedonians to have a similar language too.

Do you believe this is the correct approach to this matter?

At the end of the day, many realistic models of what has happened in the Balkans since antiquity have been made. The Slavic migration is one of them, as unrealistic as it is, it is still being classified as realistic because this is a way you could explain a linguistic connection between all the 'Slavic' nations. This is why I believe we can develop a realistic model that supports an anti-Slavic migration notion.

[Nikolaj]

In continuance, Macedonians not being Greek in antiquity has been flawlessly proven. The only thing that's stopping that from getting attention is the fact that the Slavic notion still lives. In other words, this is the main thing we should be focusing on.

[George S.]

Some people the slavic nigration didn't happen.The slavic language was allways spoken in the balkans.

[Nikolaj]

Originally Posted by George S.

Some people the slavic nigration didn't happen.The slavic language was allways spoken in the balkans.

Yes George, that is the motive of the thread - to prove. In this case, specifically Thrace.