Population of Macedonia and Adjacent Areas

[George S.]

Tm who was it that came in the 7/or 8th century ad??The albanoi came from asia.Prior to that it was illyrian but how much of them mixed with the albanians.Recent tests i saw in one article actually show that dna tests only show 10% of the people are illyrian,the same apply for illyrians in macedonia & even greece.As a matter of fact the research goes on to show that most people in albania they all show 10% of the population is illyrian. areThe albanians in albania apparently most of them are actually slavs.Who knows??

[Onur]

Genetics wise, most of the ancient Balkan population (Thracians, Illyrians, Macedonians, Greeks etc.) has been disappeared between 5-11th century AD because of the dark plague, famine, wars, eastern Roman settlement policies against invading tribes/groups and other causes. So, today`s genetic pool of the Balkans is largely the heritage of post 11th century. Ofc the ancient people surely left their genes too but it`s faint.

The remaining ancient people has been culturally transformed and lost/changed their former identities because of empirical policies of the Roman era. Only some elements of the ancient cultures are still alive today but these remnants are so shallow because most of these cultural elements also disappeared due to christianization.

I am not counting Ottoman era here because that transformation was already completed b4 14th century. The only major cultural transformation happened during Ottoman era was the islamization of Bosnians and some Albanians and this is not even 5% of all the Balkan population.

[TrueMacedonian]

Originally Posted by George S.

Tm who was it that came in the 7/or 8th century ad??The albanoi came from asia.Prior to that it was illyrian but how much of them mixed with the albanians.Recent tests i saw in one article actually show that dna tests only show 10% of the people are illyrian,the same apply for illyrians in macedonia & even greece.As a matter of fact the research goes on to show that most people in albania they all show 10% of the population is illyrian. areThe albanians in albania apparently most of them are actually slavs.Who knows??

George, I would need to see a few things about these 'tests'. I am assuming you mean the iGENEA genetic test (which no one on this forum by the way is interested on providing any peer reviewed material about iGENEA ,wonder why?)

I won't go by assumptions. I think that the migration evidence of Albanians into what is now grcija shows us what Macedonia's southern neighbors are definitely NOT. And is related to the ancient Hellenes ethnically and culturally. What are Albanians? Well they used to believe that they descended from an Arab named Jabali Alhama - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...n+myths&page=3

[TrueMacedonian]

Vlachs were half the christian population of Solun. Why am I not surprised. They were the merchants, artisans, well-to-do of the city. Hence they were the "greeks".

[Soldier of Macedon]

Good source where it concerns the movement and location of the Vlachs, and their numerical presence in Solun by 1605 makes sense.

[TrueMacedonian]

[George S.]

As usual very interesting stuff TM.Learning something new all the time.Welcome back!

[Carlin]

Originally Posted by Onur

Genetics wise, most of the ancient Balkan population (Thracians, Illyrians, Macedonians, Greeks etc.) has been disappeared between 5-11th century AD because of the dark plague, famine, wars, eastern Roman settlement policies against invading tribes/groups and other causes. So, today`s genetic pool of the Balkans is largely the heritage of post 11th century. Ofc the ancient people surely left their genes too but it`s faint.

The remaining ancient people has been culturally transformed and lost/changed their former identities because of empirical policies of the Roman era. Only some elements of the ancient cultures are still alive today but these remnants are so shallow because most of these cultural elements also disappeared due to christianization.

I am not counting Ottoman era here because that transformation was already completed b4 14th century. The only major cultural transformation happened during Ottoman era was the islamization of Bosnians and some Albanians and this is not even 5% of all the Balkan population.

I agree, but not entirely. The ancient Balkan populations that did manage to survive were romanized and spoke Latin dialects (ancestors of 'Vlachs', especially those south of the Danube).

Most of the real Hellenes even disappeared long before the 5th century AD. Some did manage to survive but were wiped out by plagues, famines, wars, and other calamities (earthquakes, floods). The death blow came with the Gothic and Slavic-Avar invasions and settlement.

In general - people (Romans by this time..) who survived retreated to the mountains and inaccessible areas, and it is no surprise that only Vlach-speakers emerge from these regions after a few centuries.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Carlin

The ancient Balkan populations that did manage to survive were romanized and spoke Latin dialects (ancestors of 'Vlachs', especially those south of the Danube).........people (Romans by this time..) who survived retreated to the mountains and inaccessible areas, and it is no surprise that only Vlach-speakers emerge from these regions after a few centuries.

That is such a simplistic take on things that it doesn't even begin to address a range of other factors. What evidence is there to support what you've written above, about the Balkan peoples retreating to mountains?

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Onur

Genetics wise, most of the ancient Balkan population (Thracians, Illyrians, Macedonians, Greeks etc.) has been disappeared between 5-11th century AD because of the dark plague, famine, wars, eastern Roman settlement policies against invading tribes/groups and other causes. So, today`s genetic pool of the Balkans is largely the heritage of post 11th century. Ofc the ancient people surely left their genes too but it`s faint.

This sounds like a load of crap to me.

What evidence do you have of the near total disappearance of the ancient peoples?

What peoples do you claim were settled in the Balkans after the 11th century, seeing as you claim the "genetic pool" of the existing populations are post 1000's?