Origins of Albanian language and ethnos - Page 48

Dove · 10-16-2020, 10:08 PM

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Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (1646-1716), who literally said: "That the Illyrian s (= Slavs) and Celts borrowed their linguistic elements to the (modern) Albanian language..."

Hi Carlin, I cannot make sense of "borrowed to", will you please clarify this for me? i.e. Who or what is doing the borrowing?

Amphipolis · 10-17-2020, 12:58 AM

By the way the Suda refers to these people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

Carlin15 · 10-19-2020, 10:57 PM

Albanian language parallels with the Balto-Slavic languages

Gustav Mayer was the first and, after him, all other scholars, who compared the Albanian language with the Balto-Slavic, came to the conclusion that the Albanian language is the brother of Lithuanian. So, as an example, Norbert Jokl, known as an undoubted friend of the Albanian people. He says that the Albanian language has strong similarities with the Balto-Slavic languages, as well as with the Hungarian-Finnish languages.

In the field of vocabulary, Albanian Shaban Demiraj cites many words, to which we attach many words from ALBANIAN ETYMOLOGICAL DICTIONARY, just enough to get an idea of this similarity:

Albanian – Lithuanian

acar – ašrus

ajkë – alkti

amull – mulve

arë – àra (Latvian)

bal – balas, bàls (lat.)

baltë – baltas

bli – blindis

boj – bëgti

botë – butìs

bredh – brendù

brez – briaunà

buj – bundù

buzë – bude

cermë – sarma (lat.)

citë – kietas

çars – skìrti

çjerr – sliriù

dak – dvekti

dangë – danga (lat.)

dash – dausos

dell – gysla

derdh – dardeti

dikë – dykas

djal – dels (lat.)

djeg – degù

dra – dradzi (lat.)

dranga – drangan

dre – draudžiu, druvas (lat.)

dregë – dìrginti

duaj – dùona

dhemb – žembiù

end – indas

err – aušrà

esh – ežys

et – alkti

fishkem – pùškas

flak – lekiù

flaškët – plokščias

fletë – lekiù

fryj –sprugstu

galamsh, lamsh – lemesis (lat.)

gardh – gardas

gdhij – diena

ger – gauras

gërdhij – grendžiu

gërshas – giriù

gledhë – glodus

gobellë – gaubti

grah – giriù

grave – griovà, grava (lat.)

grerë, gremzë – šuršuo

grellë – gurklys

grih – griejù

grij – geriù

grimë – geriù

grunë – žìrnis

grykë – griva

guall – galvà

gur – girià

gjaj – labas

gjak – sakai

gjalmë – iš-selpineti

gjashtë – galas

gjerë – jùosti

gjuhë – galsas

gjysmë – jumis (lat.)

hale – skalà

harr – skiriù

hime – skiemuo

hip – kùpti

humb – skumbù

hurdhë – verdu

hyj – ateivis

iki – eiki

imtë – isas

jargë – aržùs

jerm – erms (lat.)

josh – jaudinti

ju – jus

kabisht – kabeti

kalesh – laiska

karmë – kerpù

karpë – karpa

kep – kapiù

ketër – kuokas

këpurdhë – kèpurë

kërtyl – tulas

kërrabë – kerù

kësen – kenkiù

kështallë – stalas

kollë – kosulys

korr – kasù

kreh – grebti

krimb – kìrmis

kripë – kraupùs

kungull – kunkulas

kulpër – kìlpa

llënjës – slienas

llurbë – laure

llup – lùpti, lupt (lat.)

la, lë – laîst (lat.)

lag – liuga

landë – lenta

lapë – lapas

latë – lopeta

leh – loju

lej – leisti

lerë – laure

lesh – laiškas

lëpushë – lapas

lig (i) – ligà

lilë – leilas

lind – leisti

lingë – linge

lopë – luops (lat.)

loqe – liaukà

lumak – lubà

lus – lugoti, lùndzu (lat.)

lyp – liepiù

majë – mala (lat.)

mal – malà

mat – matuju

meh, mef – maût (lat.)

mëllenjë – melns (lat.)

mërshë – mirti

mitë – mietas

mjedhër – medis

mjegull – miglà

mjekër – smakras

mjel – melžiu

modhull – mažùlis

mot – metas

motër – mote

murg – margas

natë – naktìs

ndes – dàkyti

ndulkem – tekliù

ndjek – tekù

ngrij – gliejù

ngrydh – gružiu

ngrys – krauju

ngul – kùlti

ngus – kauti

ngjis – gliejù

pellë – pèšti

pelq – pelce (lat.)

pjalm – pelenai

pjerdh – pérdžiu

plak – pilkas

plas – platùs

plish – pl(i)ušìs

plogësht – plokščias

purth – purvas

qas – kečiù

qek – kaceti (lat.)

qersë – kùrkt (lat.)

qetë – šlaitas

qeth – kaisti

qipi – kaupos

qos – kliaudyti

qyl – kula

rjep – repti

rys – rauti

ryej – raundà

rrag – srùoga

rrek – reikà

rrime – varmas

rroj – roju

rryp – verpti

samë – šuo

sôr – sausas

sqaq – kekos

sutë – šùkos

sy – akì

shkas – skàsti

shosh – sijoju

shkas – skantu

shkrabë – skrebeti

shkul – keliù

shkund – skutù

shorr – seijù

shpih – peikiù

shtagë – stega (lat.)

shtalbër – stulbas

shtang – stengiu

shteg – staiga (lat.)

shtoj – stoju

shtrohë – straja (lat.)

tanë, tërë – tvinti, tvanas

tall – tylù

ter – tauras

teshë – tašyti

trashë – trašùs

trys – truniù

thaj – sausas

thekë – šakà

thirr – širvas

thjermë – širmas

thnegël – angis

ujk – vilkas

vang, vëng – vìngis

vdes – rekù

verzë – varle

vesh – ausis

vilas – su-valyti

vjehërr – šuras

vjel – valyti

vjerr – veriù

vjeshtë – su-valyti

vonë – vojus

zorrë – žarna

zot – viešpats

zverk – veriù

zvjerdh – veržiù

The cited lexical concordances are apparently not the only ones.

At first glance, some Lithuanian words do not seem to have anything to do with Albanian words. As an example, we mention rrag - srùoga, fryj - sprugstu and zot - viešpats. But, if we compare the Lithuanian equivalent with the proto-Albanian form *srauga - srùoga, *sprugnja - sprugstu and *w(i)tšpati - viešpats, we will see that we are dealing with the same words.

https://iskra.co/reagovanja/akademik...-svedocanstva/

Carlin15 · 10-21-2020, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Amphipolis

By the way the Suda refers to these people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

Could you please elaborate?

In another Suda version it refers to Albanians as an Italian people. I don't know if "this error" was due to a copying error or if it was intentional?

Amphipolis · 10-21-2020, 01:26 PM

These are the "Gallic" (more correctly) Galatian people and where the (Eastern) Galatia was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia

I had found an essay having ALL references to Albanian in chronological order (including even women with the name Albania), but (I'm sorry) I can't locate it anymore. It was clear that all early references to Albania (starting from classical antiquity and all the way to Suida which is 1100 AD) refered to this "Albania" of Asia.

10-17-2020, 12:58 AM	#472
Amphipolis Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,297	By the way the Suda refers to these people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

10-19-2020, 10:57 PM	#473
Carlin15 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,899	Albanian language parallels with the Balto-Slavic languages Gustav Mayer was the first and, after him, all other scholars, who compared the Albanian language with the Balto-Slavic, came to the conclusion that the Albanian language is the brother of Lithuanian. So, as an example, Norbert Jokl, known as an undoubted friend of the Albanian people. He says that the Albanian language has strong similarities with the Balto-Slavic languages, as well as with the Hungarian-Finnish languages. In the field of vocabulary, Albanian Shaban Demiraj cites many words, to which we attach many words from ALBANIAN ETYMOLOGICAL DICTIONARY, just enough to get an idea of this similarity: Albanian – Lithuanian acar – ašrus ajkë – alkti amull – mulve arë – àra (Latvian) bal – balas, bàls (lat.) baltë – baltas bli – blindis boj – bëgti botë – butìs bredh – brendù brez – briaunà buj – bundù buzë – bude cermë – sarma (lat.) citë – kietas çars – skìrti çjerr – sliriù dak – dvekti dangë – danga (lat.) dash – dausos dell – gysla derdh – dardeti dikë – dykas djal – dels (lat.) djeg – degù dra – dradzi (lat.) dranga – drangan dre – draudžiu, druvas (lat.) dregë – dìrginti duaj – dùona dhemb – žembiù end – indas err – aušrà esh – ežys et – alkti fishkem – pùškas flak – lekiù flaškët – plokščias fletë – lekiù fryj –sprugstu galamsh, lamsh – lemesis (lat.) gardh – gardas gdhij – diena ger – gauras gërdhij – grendžiu gërshas – giriù gledhë – glodus gobellë – gaubti grah – giriù grave – griovà, grava (lat.) grerë, gremzë – šuršuo grellë – gurklys grih – griejù grij – geriù grimë – geriù grunë – žìrnis grykë – griva guall – galvà gur – girià gjaj – labas gjak – sakai gjalmë – iš-selpineti gjashtë – galas gjerë – jùosti gjuhë – galsas gjysmë – jumis (lat.) hale – skalà harr – skiriù hime – skiemuo hip – kùpti humb – skumbù hurdhë – verdu hyj – ateivis iki – eiki imtë – isas jargë – aržùs jerm – erms (lat.) josh – jaudinti ju – jus kabisht – kabeti kalesh – laiska karmë – kerpù karpë – karpa kep – kapiù ketër – kuokas këpurdhë – kèpurë kërtyl – tulas kërrabë – kerù kësen – kenkiù kështallë – stalas kollë – kosulys korr – kasù kreh – grebti krimb – kìrmis kripë – kraupùs kungull – kunkulas kulpër – kìlpa llënjës – slienas llurbë – laure llup – lùpti, lupt (lat.) la, lë – laîst (lat.) lag – liuga landë – lenta lapë – lapas latë – lopeta leh – loju lej – leisti lerë – laure lesh – laiškas lëpushë – lapas lig (i) – ligà lilë – leilas lind – leisti lingë – linge lopë – luops (lat.) loqe – liaukà lumak – lubà lus – lugoti, lùndzu (lat.) lyp – liepiù majë – mala (lat.) mal – malà mat – matuju meh, mef – maût (lat.) mëllenjë – melns (lat.) mërshë – mirti mitë – mietas mjedhër – medis mjegull – miglà mjekër – smakras mjel – melžiu modhull – mažùlis mot – metas motër – mote murg – margas natë – naktìs ndes – dàkyti ndulkem – tekliù ndjek – tekù ngrij – gliejù ngrydh – gružiu ngrys – krauju ngul – kùlti ngus – kauti ngjis – gliejù pellë – pèšti pelq – pelce (lat.) pjalm – pelenai pjerdh – pérdžiu plak – pilkas plas – platùs plish – pl(i)ušìs plogësht – plokščias purth – purvas qas – kečiù qek – kaceti (lat.) qersë – kùrkt (lat.) qetë – šlaitas qeth – kaisti qipi – kaupos qos – kliaudyti qyl – kula rjep – repti rys – rauti ryej – raundà rrag – srùoga rrek – reikà rrime – varmas rroj – roju rryp – verpti samë – šuo sôr – sausas sqaq – kekos sutë – šùkos sy – akì shkas – skàsti shosh – sijoju shkas – skantu shkrabë – skrebeti shkul – keliù shkund – skutù shorr – seijù shpih – peikiù shtagë – stega (lat.) shtalbër – stulbas shtang – stengiu shteg – staiga (lat.) shtoj – stoju shtrohë – straja (lat.) tanë, tërë – tvinti, tvanas tall – tylù ter – tauras teshë – tašyti trashë – trašùs trys – truniù thaj – sausas thekë – šakà thirr – širvas thjermë – širmas thnegël – angis ujk – vilkas vang, vëng – vìngis vdes – rekù verzë – varle vesh – ausis vilas – su-valyti vjehërr – šuras vjel – valyti vjerr – veriù vjeshtë – su-valyti vonë – vojus zorrë – žarna zot – viešpats zverk – veriù zvjerdh – veržiù The cited lexical concordances are apparently not the only ones. At first glance, some Lithuanian words do not seem to have anything to do with Albanian words. As an example, we mention rrag - srùoga, fryj - sprugstu and zot - viešpats. But, if we compare the Lithuanian equivalent with the proto-Albanian form srauga - srùoga, sprugnja - sprugstu and *w(i)tšpati - viešpats, we will see that we are dealing with the same words. https://iskra.co/reagovanja/akademik...-svedocanstva/

10-21-2020, 01:26 PM	#475
Amphipolis Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,297	These are the "Gallic" (more correctly) Galatian people and where the (Eastern) Galatia was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia I had found an essay having ALL references to Albanian in chronological order (including even women with the name Albania), but (I'm sorry) I can't locate it anymore. It was clear that all early references to Albania (starting from classical antiquity and all the way to Suida which is 1100 AD) refered to this "Albania" of Asia.

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