Macedonia throughout the centuries

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by makedonin

Collection of

Razlovci and Kreshna docs.

I find this very interesting:

Unbelievable. The Macedonians were not given a seat at the table anywhere in Europe (or Russia by the looks of things), despite its best efforts.

[I of Macedon]

The following are collected from the book by Aleksander Donski - The descendants of Alexander the Great of Macedon...


Theophilactus of Ohrid on the Music of Macedonia 11th to 12th century (in Macedonia Music 1979 page 39-46)

A letter from Theophilactus of Ohrid - wrote he was in the “barbaric land - Macedonia,” where the population of Ohrid received him by singing: “some military victory songs” and of “their glory days.”


Greek newspaper neologos published in constantinopole 29/04/1892

“The Bulgarian newspaper ‘Svoboda’ vigorously attacks the slavo-Macedonians in Bulgaria and intimidates them. And why? Because the Slavo-Macedonians, deceived, leave their ancestral homes move to Bulgaria where after they become familiar with the Bulgarian people, their language, character and customs, and after they realise that they are foreign to them, they recognise the deception and begin to work out their own language publishing various periodical journals in it.”


Article“The Macedonian Question,” Published on 18/01/1871

Petko Slaveikov (Bulgarian activist, intellectual and church official) wrote; “I have heard many times from Macedonians that they were not Bulgarians, but Macedonians, descendant of the ancient Macedonians, and we have always anticipated evidence of that, but it never came...”

In response Dimitri Makedonski in the article “On the Macedonian question” 16/02/1871, wrote: “The Macedonians did not disappear from the face of the earth, as same take liberty to assume, because as far as we know, they did not commit some offense sometime, so the earth would open up and swallow them.”

[Soldier of Macedon]

Greek newspaper neologos published in constantinopole 29/04/1892

“The Bulgarian newspaper ‘Svoboda’ vigorously attacks the slavo-Macedonians in Bulgaria and intimidates them. And why? Because the Slavo-Macedonians, deceived, leave their ancestral homes move to Bulgaria where after they become familiar with the Bulgarian people, their language, character and customs, and after they realise that they are foreign to them, they recognise the deception and begin to work out their own language publishing various periodical journals in it.”

Thanks for bringing this to our attention IOM, it would be good to get a better glimpse at this article in the Greek paper, if you have anymore to share on it, please do so.

[Pelister]

Count Marcellinus and his Chronicle

Around the year 429 Constantinople was a very cosmopolitan place, and importantly, divided in ethnic enclaves. For example, there is an enclave for the Goths (and their Arian cult), for the Cappadocians, for the Armenians, and temples and churches built to various cults and Gods.

Marcellinus writes:

Our Orthodox believers took possession of the church of the Macedonians situated outside the walls of the city since the same Macedonians had killed Antonius, the catholic bishop of Germae

Who are these Macedonians? Are they a cult? A religious group? Its a bit of a mystery.

Brian Croke comments:

Marcellenius reports the death of Antonius, bishop of Germae on the Hellespont by the heretical Macedonians whom he was persecuting. The Macedonians or Pneumatomachoi as they were more commonly called, had been outlawed by the Council of Constantinople (Catholic) in 381 for their insistence that the Holy Spirit was not God but a creation of God. Obviously they were still active in 428 and able to provoke opposition, although they were soon finally eliminated by Nestorius, who confiscated their churches in CP and eslewhere. Soc., 7.31 reports these events in much the same way as Marcellinus, who was probably following Byzantine sources

p.78 "The Chronicle of Marcellinus" Tr. and Commentary by Brian Croke.

[Pelister]

A Macedonian by Birth:

It has been reported that during the 14th century, one of Dushans generals had been a man named "Helja" who was "a Macedonian by birth".

Source, The Macedonian Historical Themes, by Lazar Mojsov, page 80

[Bij]

interesting thread.

there is also a document put together by Risto Stefov of the same type of nature, for those of you who might not have had a chance to see it

http://www.oshchima.com/Historical%2...ents/hdoc1.pdf

it did bring up a few questions for me though. generally, when a person writes their own history (something they've witnessed first hand) they are considered a great primary source. herodotus wrote (essentially) fairytales, yet is still considered the father of history. however, when a Macedonian writes about their own history, they are considered heretics, biased, manipulators, propagandists. why is this??

also, you can come across many writings and extensive works in favour of the Macedonian cause by the (so-called) enemies (ie, Greeks Serbs Bulgars Germans etc) but I've never seen a Macedonian go to battle for the flipside of the coin, other than a few sensational and out of context statements made by politicians and rambling professors who think they know better. surely his has to something?

[I of Macedon]

“Tsar Alexander three hundred years before Christ with Macedonians had conquered the whole universe … And today in the Macedonian Kingdom our brothers suffer Because we are th only ones left in slavery Therefore we also want our own fatherland…Brother Macedonians of Orthodox faith, lets unite and courageously fight, the same as our ancestors led by Tsar Alexander, to revive the old glory.”

Giorgi Pulevski “Macedonian Fairy” 1878

“Mother Macedonia is very weakened. After she gave birth to the great Alexander, after she bore Saints Cyril and Methodius, since those labours mother Macedonia lays on her bed terribly exhausted. But a mother that bore such sons, in the future will bear others like them…She will produce many other Cyrils and Methodiuses, who will be the beacons of light of our schools and pillars of our faith and will restore the fame of the Macedonian name!”

Gligor Prlichev, Macedonian Poet, intellectual and activist, 1885

“Consider, dear children, the great Tsar Alexander, whom we venerate until the present day!”

Marko Tsepenkov, Folklore compiler, 1899

“There at Pindus and Shar, at Struma and Vardar where everything is covered by deep wounds, noble descendants of the Great Alexander, are fighting heroically against centuries long tyranny.”

Peter Zagorov, Poet, 1903

[TrueMacedonian]

The synod records of the Ohrid Archbishopric at the beginning of the 13th century contain the words;

Ivan Ierakar by birth Macedonian

[TrueMacedonian]

IOM this is a great thread btw. Keep'em coming.

[TrueMacedonian]

Originally Posted by Pelister

A Macedonian by Birth:

It has been reported that during the 14th century, one of Dushans generals had been a man named "Helja" who was "a Macedonian by birth".

Source, The Macedonian Historical Themes, by Lazar Mojsov, page 80

Pelister I think the man in question here is called Hrelya or Relya.


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