Albanianization in Macedonia

[Bratot]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Bratot,

Are you saying that when someone calls you a name its an insult and when your friend "Prof. D-r" does it, its an analogy?

I'm not sure if I understand what you're trying to say, so why don't you explain your point in Macedonian?

[Niko777]

Niko, Labunista is still a Macedonian Muslim village. It is incorrect to say that "in the last decades thousands of Albanians have moved in." The Torbeshi due to their own reasons have been writing themseleves as Albanians, Turks, Bosniaks, Muslims etc. 100 years ago in 1905 it was a mixed Macedonian Christian/Muslim village, this is still the case, however with a ratio much more favourable to the Muslims (c. 95%).

I know there is a presence of Macedonian Muslims with different identities, however we need to admit there is a presence of Albanians in this village, and like most other villages in the Struga region, they did come in the last decades buying land in non-Albanian villages. Albanian nationalism is on the rise in Labunistsa, and the Albanian language is being spoken, so that is why I doubt that they are all Torbeshi.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Bratot

I'm not sure if I understand what you're trying to say, so why don't you explain your point in Macedonian?

Bratot,

You're English has improved markedly in this post. I'll try my best in Macedonian.

Прашањето ми беше: со Вашиот одговор на Ристо, дали сакавте да кажите дека нарекување имиња е навреда кога тоа е насочено кон Вас, но истото е аналогија кога е направен од страна на вашиот пријател "Проф. д-р" Противпропаганда?

[Bratot]

Originally Posted by vangelovski

bratot,

you're english has improved markedly in this post. I'll try my best in macedonian.

Прашањето ми беше: со Вашиот одговор на Ристо, дали сакавте да кажите дека нарекување имиња е навреда кога тоа е насочено кон Вас, но истото е аналогија кога е направен од страна на вашиот пријател "Проф. д-р" Противпропаганда?

Мојот пријател, кој за волја на вистината навистина е д-р, ти го даде одговорот во неговата реплика до Ристо.

Затоа би Ве замолил г-дине Вангеловски да се воздржите од понатамошни игри на зборови и инфантилни обиди за релативизирање на Вашиот навредувачки и понижувачки однос.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Bratot

There wasn't problem to accept that such group exist, the problem was how you chosed to address them.

Are the slave/serf mentality types the majority in Macedonia or not? This is protivpropaganda's assertion. Let us be sure about how you see this first.

I am far from naive, in fact I am quite sure my frustration with the lack of will in Macedonia for change in Macedonia is abundantly clear. What protivpropaganda has said merely confirms my belief that little hope exists with people committed to a servitude mentality. Especially whilst they whine about their plight.

Originally Posted by Bratot

Why bothering to ask if you don't accept the critique and advice?

The advice is to not call them names. I get it. But when you rope in protivpropaganda to come here, he can call the majority of Macedonians slave/serf mentalities without any consequence?

To be honest, I am much more disgusted with the name calling and hatred of ethnic Albanians. They are people who deserve to live free lives as well. If the Macedonians have no desire to live free lives, then logic dictates what happens next. If the slave/serf mentality is as prevalent as protivpropaganda suggests, there would be no chance. But I think there is still hope.

[Bratot]

Before we continue I think it's better if you read his reply one page back, because you aren't able to see the difference yet or deliberately you're tryng to mix apples and oranges to cover up your failing.

I have a good reason to believe it's the second one.

[Risto the Great]

Bratot, I will certainly continue my discussions with protivpropaganda. It looks like it will be interesting, but I fear our thought processes are not too different and we will soon have little to discuss. However, it is better if you tell me whether you believe the slave/serf mentality types are the majority in Macedonia or not. Once we clarify this point, you and I can continue this discussion in a logical fashion.

[Risto the Great]

Actually, let me clarify. Having re-read some of protivpropaganda's earlier posts on this thread, I cannot say we are terribly in agreement on a number of issues.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by bratot

Мојот пријател, кој за волја на вистината навистина е д-р, ти го даде одговорот во неговата реплика до Ристо.

Затоа би Ве замолил г-дине Вангеловски да се воздржите од понатамошни игри на зборови и инфантилни обиди за релативизирање на Вашиот навредувачки и понижувачки однос.

Братот,

Јас Ви поставив прашање околу Вашиот коментар, а не мислењето на "Професорот".

Верувам дека "Проф. Д-р" Противпропаганда навистина е "Д-р" (во Македонски кругови), бидејќи го познавам "стандардот" на неговото образование. Неговиот обид да не убеди дека е накаков "експерт" е тактика карактеристична од Македонските кадри кога нема да успеат да го докажет она со нивните мисли и аргументи.

[Bratot]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Bratot, I will certainly continue my discussions with protivpropaganda. It looks like it will be interesting, but I fear our thought processes are not too different and we will soon have little to discuss. However, it is better if you tell me whether you believe the slave/serf mentality types are the majority in Macedonia or not. Once we clarify this point, you and I can continue this discussion in a logical fashion.

I never disagreed about the existing slave mentality in Macedonia and I acknowledge this problem, without speculating about the extent the current situation is worrying.

But I refuse entering in a process of 'enlightenment' by addressing to these people with derrogative terminology such as 'Vassals' or 'Slaves'.

Lets not fool ourselves that anyone will follow us after. If you care to prevent this you will not continue in such manner, just apply the common sense.

I don't ask for more.