Macedonian National Anthem

[Prolet]

SOM, Maknews has often criticized us in the past for not speaking our language properly, he uses words like Oushche and he claims that his grand father taught him how to speak the original language. The word Vsicko was mentioned above, i know Macedonians from Pirinska Makedonija seem to use that word i heard Ivan Gargavelov say it once maybe TM can give us a little more feedback since he has links to Pirinska Makedonija.

[aleksandrov]

Originally Posted by Mastika

It was sung in different dialects by different people around Macedonia. If a song is to be national anthem then it must be in the literary language.

If Kolishevski & Co. didn't decide to give it away to the Bulgarians and Bugaromani 64 years ago, it would probably have been adapted to the modern Macedonian literary language.

[Risto the Great]

vsichko is quite common in my local dialect.
When I have Macedonians from the Republic telling me they think I speak some kind of Bulgarian ... I don't know whether to laugh, cry or beat the shit out of them. Such ignorance.

[aleksandrov]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

I don't believe my response indicated that I was ignorant of those facts, instead, I was making reference to their works that contain information regarding dialects from all over Macedonia, including the home villages of Delcev (Kukush), Gruev (Smilevo) and Misirkov (Postol).

Sorry, I didn't think of that possibility when I read your original post. In any case, I am not sure how extensive the Miladinovci and Shapkarev were in their research of Macedonian dialects. I suppose it's worth looking into.

I would say that most, if not all of those documents, flags, etc come after the Exarchate was created and gained influence in Macedonia's religious and educational institutions.

I would have to check whether 'svoboda' was used in the Kresna Uprising period, when the Exarchate influence wasn't so strong. In any case, we should always keep in mind that a key reason why the Exarchate was able to influence Macedonians more than the Serbian and Greek patriarchies was that the language it used was very close to the Macedonian dialects. And that should be of no surprise if you look at the extent to which Macedonian (by ancestry) intellectuals participated in the creation of the modern Bulgarian state and the fact that the language used by the Exarchate was meant to be a development of what Kliment and Naum taught in Ohrid.

I don't doubt it, but it would only be a small handful of dialects found in the peripheral areas of eastern Macedonia. Kje (or ke) is the norm in the overwhelming majority of Macedonian dialects.

You may be right, but a reference to some empirical research could clear things up.

What is critical to note in the context of this anthem and the literary language is that ќ (for "kj') is one of the modern, post-WWII Macedonian introductions to the Cyrillic alphabet. Before that, this standard Cyrillic letter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Щ (pronounced as "scha" in Cyrillic generally or "shta" in modern Bulgarian) was used in written, albeit not codified, Macedonian. The exclusion of that letter from the Macedonian Cyrillic alphabet may well have had an influence on how Macedonian dialects subsequently evolved.

I know a lot of people from the Prilep and Struga regions who use 'che' ('че'), which is kind of between "kje" and "sche". Some dialects in north-western Macedonia use "kja", which is somewhere between "kje" and "scha".

At a more general level, let's not forget that this anthem was used by Macedonian partisans and ASNOM delegates who fought against Bulgarian domination and for a Macedonian national state within the borders of Yugoslavia, after almost four decades of Serbian education and Bulgarian Exarchate absence. The majority of them were not from peripheral areas of eastern Macedonia, yet it doesn't appear to have sounded foreign to them.

[Simply Macedonian]

In addition to Gotse Delchev, Pitu Guli, Dame Gruev and Jane Sandanski, there should be a line mentioning, Alexander, Filip, Samuil, and Kiril and Metodij.
I know it would be hard to pass with the Albanian minority, who seem to control everything in the Macedonian parliament, the pro-Greek SDSM, and the pro-Greek west...but it's food for thought.

[julie]

I need to think about that one.
It would change the anthem , as Makedontsite se borat za svoite pravini , was not so much attributed in the time of Filip and Alexander
If we were to do that then Chento would need to be included too.

[Jankovska]

I agree with Julie- Philip, Aleksandar were not fighting za svoite pravdini but brought mnogu nepravdini to many people.

[julie]

I like the national anthem and I dont want it changed.

[Simply Macedonian]

Well I believe an anthem represents a nation..and our nation's roots are not just from the beginning of the 1900's. This anthem was written in the 1940's..and was based on the history that was promoted at the time..It is a beautiful anthem, but we now know that Alexander and Filip etc.. are a very important part of our history. What is wrong with promoting all of our heroes..not just the ones in the last 110 years?

[julie]

we always knew Alexander and Filip are an important part of our history. If you were to put it to a poll , I think you would find that sloboda ili smrt are not part of accumulating empires.
Personally, I dont want the anthem changed and at the time it was for the liberation of Macedonia in the 40's and included the Ilindenski Vostanie, and the struggle for our people.
If a verse was to be included to include Chento then that would be awesome, we had many heroes, what about the females, eg Mirka Ginova etc.
Leave it alone, we have enough of a struggle for now to just keep our Macedonian name thanks to the bullshit traitors and shpioni out there