invitation from the cultural association Makedones Marinas

[BigMak]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Thanks for your constructive comments.

Some questions


are they a registered association in greece?

If so who do they represent?

Are they a registered association who represent ethnic Macedonians of Greek occupied Macedonia?

Or are they a registered association representing the so-called Macedonians of greek origins (sik) and in doing so do they perform public appearances and sing in Macedonian or greek?

Are we shooting ourselves in the foot by applauding this or is this being translated to the world as Macedonian Greek culture of greek origin.

So basically we are teaching the greeks our songs and ora just to be insulted with them showing the world that this is greek.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Can you hear the language they are singing in? What's the problem? They have their own Macedonian dialects and their own regional influences like the rest of us.

Originally Posted by BikMak

basically we are teaching the greeks our songs and ora just to be insulted with them showing the world that this is greek.

How on earth can you come to that conclusion? Would any serious person consider the clip a 'Greek' song? Of course not! We aren't teaching them anything, they are Macedonians, and they are singing the songs of their locality.

The Macedonians in the Aegean are in no way, absolutely no way, less Macedonian than the Macedonians in the Republic, Pirin or elsewhere. Of course we should be applauding them and encouraging them to further express their native Macedonian culture as openly and freely as possible.

What exactly is your problem with the clip, BigMak?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Ogreala, ogreala, ogreala jasna dzvezda, ogreala jasna dezevda.

Pravo te grei, pravo te grei, pravo te grei na vujkomu, pravo te grei na vujkomu.

Dobro vech'r, mili vujko, dai podobro milo vnuce, dai podobro milo vnuce.

Jas s'm doshol, mili vujko, jas s'm doshol da dao pitam, jas s'm doshol da dao pitam.


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Above is the first part of the song or what I could make of it, no doubt Macedonian.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Ogreala, ogreala, ogreala jasna dzvezda, ogreala jasna dezevda.

Pravo te grei, pravo te grei, pravo te grei na vujkomu, pravo te grei na vujkomu.

Dobro vech'r, mili vujko, dai podobro milo vnuce, dai podobro milo vnuce.

Jas s'm doshol, mili vujko, jas s'm doshol da dao pitam, jas s'm doshol da dao pitam.

And this is how I would say it in my Bitola dialect of Macedonian:

Ogreala, ogreala, ogreala jasna dzvezda, ogreala jasna dezevda.

Pravo kje oi, pravo kje oi, pravo kje oi kai na vujkomu, pravo kje oi kai na vujkomu.

Dobro vecher, mili vujko, dai podobro milo vnuce, dai podobro milo vnuce.

Jas sum doshol, mili vujko, jas sum doshol da, da go prasham, jas sum doshol da, da go prasham.


Irrelevant differences, and further to that point, depending on where people in Bitola or other places in the vicinity of the Aegean are from, it may even be closer, because I know for a fact that others in the Republic say 'grei/gredi' and 'pitam'. And on the flip side, Macedonians in the Aegean also say "odi/oi".

It's a nice clip, i've watched a few times now.

[BigMak]

I am not debating the verbal integrity of our brothers in egej, or dialect etc,

you have not answered any of my questions, what I ask is how is this organization perceived in Greece, what is it referred to, and what is the translated meaning of this to the world. And when or if they perform on a large scale in Greece is Macedonian culture wrongly performed in greek ?

Why is this a hard question to answer? I am asking because I dont know now, if you know please explain it to me. if you cant thats fine I will search for my answers elsewhere without being abused.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

'grei/gredi'
"odi/oi".

I feel "grei" = comes, "oi" = goes.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by BigMak

I am not debating the verbal integrity of our brothers in egej, or dialect etc,

you have not answered any of my questions, what I ask is how is this organization perceived in Greece, what is it referred to, and what is the translated meaning of this to the world. And when or if they perform on a large scale in Greece is Macedonian culture wrongly performed in greek ?

Why is this a hard question to answer? I am asking because I dont know now, if you know please explain it to me. if you cant thats fine I will search for my answers elsewhere without being abused.

Big Mak, i also am not sure what you are asking. i will try to answer the best i can.

A) "how is this organization perceived in Greece"

Answer: you can imagine any possible racist remark coming from majority of Greeks.

B)"what is it referred to"

Answer: not sure what you are asking here

C) "what is the translated meaning of this to the world"

Answer: well they are singing in the Macedonian language. Translating to the world we and the language exists

D) "when or if they perform on a large scale in Greece is Macedonian culture wrongly performed in greek ? "

Answer: its Macedonian culture performed in Macedonian. where do you see it performed in Greek?


sory if i misunderstood your points. But thats to the best of my understanding of your questions.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by BigMak

I am not debating the verbal integrity of our brothers in egej, or dialect etc,

you have not answered any of my questions, what I ask is how is this organization perceived in Greece, what is it referred to, and what is the translated meaning of this to the world. And when or if they perform on a large scale in Greece is Macedonian culture wrongly performed in greek ?

Why is this a hard question to answer? I am asking because I dont know now, if you know please explain it to me. if you cant thats fine I will search for my answers elsewhere without being abused.

Hi BM,
I do not think they are a registered organisation. I don't really know. But seem to recall a bit of a discussion about them a while back. You might not have seen it hence your skepticism.

About the song. The dialect is refreshing. The music is absolutely pulsating and extremely common in Southern Macedonia. His voice is a little less than inspirational to me. But the dialect is what grabbed me. It sounds old in a good way.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by BigMak

I am not debating the verbal integrity of our brothers in egej, or dialect etc

No probs, your previous comment about the song in the clip being a 'cheap rip off' indicated differently to me, thanks for clarifying.

you have not answered any of my questions, what I ask is how is this organization perceived in Greece, what is it referred to, and what is the translated meaning of this to the world. And when or if they perform on a large scale in Greece is Macedonian culture wrongly performed in greek ?

I don't know the answer to your questions, I observed the content of the clip for the first time on this thread, like you. In this clip, the Macedonian culture is correctly performed in Macedonian, I don't know about the rest.

if you cant thats fine I will search for my answers elsewhere without being abused.

Mate, don't come here and accuse me of abusing you, I did no such thing, you made some assumptions and a comment about the song, and I made an observation and stated my opinion. Nobody is attacking you.

[El Bre]

This is how our music is perceived by Greeks, Mak...

YouTube - Florina Macedonia Pustseno Χάλκινα Λυτός

As a "northern Greek" tradition