Macedonians and Cretans

[Svoliani]

Sorry Philosopher. Jus is another guy who is fascinated with genetic studies , you guys should share your ideas!!!

Yes you did mention that akis means 'little one' but you also added that it means 'son of ' . It does not mean son of !!!!
Dimitropoulos means son of Dimitri
Dimitraki (when referring to a child) means little Johnny
Dimitrakis means Little Johnny ... a Derivative or Deriviation , whatever that word you used against Dimitri , for our friends from Greece and RoM who probably wont know this word it means an insult or humiliation.

[Philosopher]

Svo,

Well, well, well, I guess me and "jus" are kissing cousins then.

As for "akis," here it is from the web:

"The –akis suffix is actually a diminutive, so aside from meaning 'Son of Petros', Petrakis can also be something cutesy to the effect of 'Little Stone' or 'Stoneykins'.

and from a Greek Translation site: http://www.translatum.gr/forum/index.php?topic=252.0

"It is derived from the Greek word for "lion" λιοντάρι. The suffix "-akis" is diminutive and is typical of Cretan names meaning "the son of".

So who is erroneous now, my ignorant friend?

Like I wrote before, it means both little as derision and little as "son of." Learn the language.

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by Traveller

Yes, the Cretans have a mysterious fascination with Macedonia. They were the fiercest warriors in the Macedonian struggle (1903-08). Here in Thessaloniki there are many roads , squares and statues honouring them.

I have also read that the Cretans are very brave warriors(throughout their history). It took th Ottomans and Nazis a lot of effort to overcome them. They are fiercely territorial, and will defend their island to the death if need be.

A few years ago, the Greek police was investigating a Marijuana operation in Crete(they grow alot of weed there, with the intent of distributing it to Europe). When they had gathered enough evidence, they sent some cops there to make arrests. Upon arrival to the Cretian village, the cops were captured, taken hostage, one of them was shot in the leg, and the town children began parading in the streets wearing the policemens uniforms, guns and badges!
A negotiator had to be sent in, to get the cops out, and no charges were were laid, as it was part of the terms to get the cops back!
Fierce bastards I tell you!

[Pelister]

There may well be a connection between Macedonians and Cretans.

Looking at a contemporary, such as Homer, can reveal quite a bit about Crete, and the Cretans. Homer refers to the native of crete as "eteo-cretans".

Homer is clear about another thing. Crete in the 3rd century was a poly-glot, and the native language was still in use, at that time. Some old cretain words survive. Could the etymology of those words be found in "Slavic"? This might be worth looking into.

The natives of Crete were not Greeks, and furthermore, suggested that the ancient Greeks, were rather recent arrivals to the Island. Similar comments are made about Lesbos.

[Traveller]

Originally Posted by Pelister

There may well be a connection between Macedonians and Cretans.

Looking at a contemporary, such as Homer, can reveal quite a bit about Crete, and the Cretans. Homer refers to the native of crete as "eteo-cretans".

Homer is clear about another thing. Crete in the 3rd century was a poly-glot, and the native language was still in use, at that time. Some old cretain words survive. Could the etymology of those words be found in "Slavic"? This might be worth looking into.

The natives of Crete were not Greeks, and furthermore, suggested that the ancient Greeks, were rather recent arrivals to the Island. Similar comments are made about Lesbos.

Cretans and Mykenae are considered the first Greek tribes according to sociology rules (existence of a palace, workshops etc).

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Traveller

Cretans and Mykenae are considered the first Greek tribes according to sociology rules (existence of a palace, workshops etc).

I have a palace and a workshop .... damn it ... am I Greek as well?

[Spartan]

The Minoans, who were the original inhabitants of the Island were absorbed into the Myceanians, who were from the southern Pelloponese.We are talking in the 1000's(or perhaps before)B.C..
What relevance this has to the connection between Macedonians and Cretans, I dont know. If there is any connection between the 2, its from well after this period.

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by Traveller

Cretans and Mykenae are considered the first Greek tribes according to sociology rules (existence of a palace, workshops etc).

Minoans my friend. But yes , I have read the same thing. These two peoples are considered to be the first Greek tribes. The Minoans even before the Mycaenians, from what I have read actually.

[Traveller]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

I have a palace and a workshop .... damn it ... am I Greek as well?

No, you are a part of a society.

[osiris]

boys its you wannabe greeks that made such an issue about ethnicity and connections with the ancient balkan peoples, and now that we can use a scientific test that clearly demonstrates who is what in the balkans, you poor losers cant take it, and keep refferring to the biased subjective opinion of historians and politicians, and only the ones who support your views.
its not good enough to go crawling behind the skirts of isocrates and however else you discovered last week, when the truth is in our dna our genetic makeup.
if dna testing supported your position thats all you boys would be talking about.
for your information spartan macedoniasn apprently share mcuh of our dna with cretans and basques, does that explain the picture a little clearer, we didnt come down with the so called slavic invasions we have been ther since neolithic times.