Mike Ilitch/Ilievski

[fyrOM]

The point I was making about the University education and the business is that one would think such a person would be more switched on, yet RtG, to support his point, makes out like he has never seen anyone other than Asians diaspora trading with their home country and wants me to list examples - do you live in Australia and see all the wog shops - it's common knowledge, or do you only have Asians in Adelaide.

If you are in Melbourne sometime RtG stop off at the Queen Victoria Market and find an African guy selling spices and other products from his home country. He came over as a refugee to Australia and when he settled here he went back and started a business with his cousin who lives there. They prepare the spices and other products and ship them out to Oz and he sells them here. Try also the Footscray shopping area and you will find similar shops with African clothing ect.

Not so long ago I was watching a business show where a woman from South America similarly came over as a refugee and now imports coffee beans from her former village and surrounds and roasts them here in Oz for sale.

What do you expect - that I have all the Government stats and lists of examples to prove it to you? Have you never heard of such examples?


This sort of thing is on one level.
In a different way (in a different thread), I was suggesting the human rights guys might want to look into a virtual phone/isp company - donations are one thing but earning money could be more.

[Risto the Great]

fyrOM, you are talking about one of your African brothers selling some spices in a market? This is a little different from some rich Diaspora Macedonian throwing millions of dollars at shaky investments in Macedonia. Isn't Marco Polo Foods doing what you are talking about?

So if I start a little shop selling little Macedonian salt & pepper shakers, I would be a better Macedonian? Because if I sell anything bigger, I would need some serious assurances from the little country that cannot be named.

[fyrOM]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

fyrOM, you are talking about one of your African brothers selling some spices in a market? This is a little different from some rich Diaspora Macedonian throwing millions of dollars at shaky investments in Macedonia. Isn't Marco Polo Foods doing what you are talking about?

So if I start a little shop selling little Macedonian salt & pepper shakers, I would be a better Macedonian? Because if I sell anything bigger, I would need some serious assurances from the little country that cannot be named.

Don't worry, it's not that small an enterprise, he's making a mint becoming a major importer and from a refugee - and like I said he is not the only one.

I have always been saddened to find Maco stuff in Greek own dellies and have to buy it there - where's the Maco?

Marko Polo's a good start - F his name.

But for real coin can't Macos collectively, under say the Human Eights guys, run a virtual phone/isp company and use the profits to invest in Macedonia? Earnings got to be worth more than donations alone.

The Macedonians in the past have not been so business orientated preferring to look for places offering the most overtajm (overtime) and hosing down the driveways of their MacMansions.
Too bad, really.

Where is there one Maco mini-supermarket like the Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Indian, African, I can go in these places and buy everything from a stick of gum or a soda can upwards.

[osiris]

Why dont you do it ozimak. I think its a fair point you make but dont confuse business and patriotism. Personally I feel more inclined to make my living in a more stable situation and support our brothers in the occupied areas of Macedonia. As I have already explained we tried on 2 occasions to set up state of the art cold storage controlled atmosphere fruit facilities but were unable to come to reasonable fair terms . We are still having trouble establishing current legal titles for land ws have owned for a few hundred years . We are treated with disdain because ws refuse to pay bribes non Macedonian businesses on the otherhand are treated like royalty.

[fyrOM]

Originally Posted by osiris

Why dont you do it ozimak. I think its a fair point you make but dont confuse business and patriotism. Personally I feel more inclined to make my living in a more stable situation and support our brothers in the occupied areas of Macedonia. As I have already explained we tried on 2 occasions to set up state of the art cold storage controlled atmosphere fruit facilities but were unable to come to reasonable fair terms . We are still having trouble establishing current legal titles for land ws have owned for a few hundred years . We are treated with disdain because ws refuse to pay bribes non Macedonian businesses on the otherhand are treated like royalty.

That's discussing! Not so long ago, in Vest newspaper they were writing of a Croatian company is going to build just that - I thought do we need Croatians to show us how to grow and store apples ect when most Macedonians have some farming connection. Have they forgotten the Yugoslav days when Macedonia produced most of the food but farmers were paid a pittance by the state then on-sold for export and the Serbs made the big profits - they treated the Macedonians like voloj - and now do they want to reinvent Yugoslavia but in trade form?

After my last trip and seeing how a lot of the locals and most of my relatives are, you can't imagine how conflicted I am about that place and doing anything there but supposedly the government is fixing this up with the 'one-shop-stop' formula whereby government liaison officers help with fast tracking the red-tape. Was your experience recent?

For whatever reason my grand-parents gave everything to one galen sin a long time ago so there really isn't anything there for me.

[Momce Makedonce]

Heard a claim that Mike Ilitch used to donate to the MPO and let them use his facilities for events, any truth to this?