what to say?

[nushevski77]

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[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by nushevski77

how would you reply to this? Had a serb tell me today that i'm actually a greek but am a wanna be bulgarian; never in my life have I heard someone say this before, online or in person so I was so shocked and confused I just walked away. His evidence was that in metaxes biography it supposedly says that the greeks had to re-hellenize the greeks in northern greece because they were all subjected to bulgarian propaganda and needed to make them greeks again, like wtf i've never heard this angle before what would you say to this, I just walked away

Mate how young are you?

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by nushevski77

20, I was at university and herd this guy speaking serbian and I thought it was macedonian at first so I introduced myself, was trying to network for business since im an accounting major

No offence but you're coming off as a very naive 20 year old Macedonian.

[Amphipolis]

I can’t see your original post but actually none of the two statements is unheard.

I’ve been told the exact same thing by a Serb. They don’t consider you Serbs but Bulgarians (due to linguistic proximity). I remember a Serb had told me that Muslim Bosnians are more genuine Serbs than you.

You don’t need Metaxas memoirs to know. Greeks and Bulgarians (and Serbs) contested to attract the Slavs of Macedonia and persuade them they are actually Greeks, Bulgarians or Serbs.

Part of the Greek propaganda may seem funny now as it would be summarized in phrases like “You can’t be Bulgarians. You’re glorious Macedonians, descendants of Alexander the Great”. Even some of the most bizarre sides of modern “antiquization” propaganda can be found done by… Greek propagandists of late 1800s, early 1900s (we have relevant threads, e.g. tracing Homeric remnants in Slavic dialects).

[vicsinad]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

I can’t see your original post but actually none of the two statements is unheard.

I’ve been told the exact same thing by a Serb. They don’t consider you Serbs but Bulgarians (due to linguistic proximity). I remember a Serb had told me that Muslim Bosnians are more genuine Serbs than you.

You don’t need Metaxas memoirs to know. Greeks and Bulgarians (and Serbs) contested to attract the Slavs of Macedonia and persuade them they are actually Greeks, Bulgarians or Serbs.

Part of the Greek propaganda may seem funny now as it would be summarized in phrases like “You can’t be Bulgarians. You’re glorious Macedonians, descendants of Alexander the Great”. Even some of the most bizarre sides of modern “antiquization” propaganda can be found done by… Greek propagandists of late 1800s, early 1900s (we have relevant threads, e.g. tracing Homeric remnants in Slavic dialects).

Buddy, you've been warned enough. We are not and were not "Slavs of Macedonia." This Turkish Greek-wannabe should be removed from this site.

And second, your statement is not factual. Some Serbs look to us as Macedonians, others as Bulgarians, and other as Serbs.

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by vicsinad

Buddy, you've been warned enough. We are not and were not "Slavs of Macedonia." This Turkish Greek-wannabe should be removed from this site.

Then try not to write a book about the American Slav Congress. Also, ask yourself if anyone (including your own people) takes your above statement seriously.

[Gocka]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

Then try not to write a book about the American Slav Congress. Also, ask yourself if anyone (including your own people) takes your above statement seriously.

You will get what you deserve one day you piece of shit.

[vicsinad]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

Then try not to write a book about the American Slav Congress. Also, ask yourself if anyone (including your own people) takes your above statement seriously.

What are you trying to say? That ethnic Macedonians called themselves ethnic Slavs? Are you trying to say we're not ethnic Macedonians or that we were not ethnic Macedonians back then?

Idiot. Where in the book do I say that Macedonians simply viewed themselves as "Slavs from Macedonia"? No where. Don't conflate the meaning of the word Slav(ic) in relation to all the people who speak a Slavic language with they way you're using it -- as an ethnic identifier for people of Macedonia who don't speak Greek. You're either purposely being disingenuous or are a naive Greek-speaking Albo-Turk-Slav-Vlach. Either way, remove yourself from this forum.

[vicsinad]

Using the term "Slav" to define the Macedonians, whether by outsiders or Macedonians themselves, was really a phenomenon of the 1920s and 1930s. That's when Russia was on the rise, and was using the term Slav to attract Slavic-speaking peoples to its domain. It also coincided with the strengthening of the Yugoslav idea in Croatia and Serbia. This is when you start seeing the "Macedonian Slav" terminology enter the conversation, and it gained in prominence as Yugoslavs and Macedonians tried to get Russians and other Slavic-speaking peoples onto their side in the battle against Greek terrorists and occupiers in Aegean Macedonia.

Before the 1920s, the term Macedonian Slav was practically insignificant. Some scholars and others used it when making appeals to other Slavic-speaking people. Most who did use the term used it in regards to Slavic-speaking. However, if you look at newspapers and books written before the 1930s, especially those by Westerners, they rarely refer to "Macedonian Slavs" or "Slavs of Macedonia." It was usually just Macedonian. Sure, they (and we) acknowledged that our language is part of the Slavic family. But when hybrid Slavo-Albanian-Turkish-Vlachs like yourself use the term, it's specifically designed to belittle and de-legitimize the ethnic Macedonian identity.

So get out.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

Part of the Greek propaganda may seem funny now as it would be summarized in phrases like “You can’t be Bulgarians. You’re glorious Macedonians, descendants of Alexander the Great”. Even some of the most bizarre sides of modern “antiquization” propaganda can be found done by… Greek propagandists of late 1800s, early 1900s (we have relevant threads, e.g. tracing Homeric remnants in Slavic dialects).

I much prefer the English, French and German propaganda that said that ragtag collection of Albanians, Turks, Gypsies and Vlachs were the true flag bearers and descendants of the great Hellenes. So laughable given they had to learn the language of the ancients first. And now they use ancient names as though they have been in the family for millenniums.

No need to look at Metxas's memoirs, here is a current Greek politician's memoir:

During the heated debate on the ratification of the deal to rename Macedonia, Nikos Filis from the Greek ruling SYRIZA party said that when Greece first captured this region in 1912, it was majority ethnic Macedonian and was ethnically cleansed throughout the decades to make it Greek. Filis, who is known for his outspoken views and for poking holes in the Greek nation building myth, was responding to nationalist protesters in front of the Parliament building who were chanting “Macedonia is one and it is Greek”.

Macedonia is not one and Greek. There are several Macedonias. The other Macedonia is defined with the Bucharest treaty which bears our, Greek signature. When we hear the chant “Macedonia is one and it is Greek” it is seen as irredentism, as disrespect for the international treaties by our country. Maybe it doesn’t sound too good but it is the truth. Greek Macedonia is Greek, and let me clarify, it was MADE Greek, because until 1912/1913 and 1921/1922, when the refugees came, there was no Greek majority in Macedonia – only in some regions in the south. So it was made Greek by a population exchange and through all the difficult events we and the other peoples from the region went through. So who are we kidding when we say “Macedonia is one and it is Greek?” Only ourselves, Filis said.

Greece captured about a half of the region of Macedonia in 1912, when fighting the Ottomans and kept it through the Second Balkan War in 1913, and many Macedonians were expelled in the process and afterwards. After its defeat to Turkey in 1921, hundreds of thousands of Greek refugees were settled in this part of Macedonia, dramatically changing its ethnic make-up, along with decades of bans on the use of the Macedonian language for the remaining Macedonians.

If the former Turk nationals weren't there, they would still be begging Macedonians to pretend to be Greeks. But now the former Turkish nationals are the "Macedonians" .... makes me want to choke on my baklava and Turkish coffee.

Funny how this slut calls herself Amphipolis now. An Athenian settlement in Macedonia. Just like the former Turks in Macedonia nowadays. I bet the citizens of Amphipolis didn't call themselves Macedonian until long after Philip handed them their arses.

But as we know with modern Greeks, "if you can't beat them, be them."