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Old 10-20-2010, 06:46 AM   #101
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They should be exposed, , absolutely, to all regular people, so they can see what propogates them to strive for such a demeaning outcome to us Macedonians. They are playing with our identity and should be ousted from such esteemed positions in government
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:23 AM   #102
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You know what frustrate me?

When a quack like Evangelos Kofos is invited as a lecturer on a private Macedonian university and our students are practically useless because they lack this basic knowledge and arguments to deal him properly.

http://www.fon.edu.mk/novost.aspx?ln=mk&cid=57

Kofos was a guest of FON university where he answered on several questions, according to me our students should use this opportunity in a effective way, but they let him go with his blatant lies.

Кофос практично се демантира сам себеси за половина час, бидејќи претходно тврдеше дека судирот меѓу Македонија и Грција во почетокот бил судир околу територија и безбедност, а сега станал судир на идентитет. „Ова е потешко прашање. Да беше територијално, досега ќе завршеше. И јас сум Македонец, а ваше е да утврдите каков Македонец сум?“, изјави Кофос пред студентите на Универзитетот ФОН.

„Ако толку сакате да бидете Македонци, зошто тогаш не и се приклучите на Македонија“, запраша една студентка, на што Кофос одговори дека тоа е одлична идеја и ќе се оствари кога Македонија ќе и се приклучи на Европската Унија.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:10 PM   #103
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this part - Ако толку сакате да бидете Македонци, зошто тогаш не и се приклучите на Македонија“, запраша една студентка, на што Кофос одговори дека тоа е одлична идеја и ќе се оствари кога Македонија ќе и се приклучи на Европската Унија.

What the fark???????
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:05 AM   #104
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A must read:


Грчки план за исчезнување на Република Македонија
http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/New...tIzdanie=22114
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:42 AM   #105
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I couldn't ignore the blatantly speech of Ljube Boshkoski (one of the new black characters in Macedonian history) that he made at his failure of a "riot" gathering in Skopje, yesterday.

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Љубе Бошкоски:
Местото на Македонија е во Европа и само на тој начин ќе можат да се решат проблемите во државата.

„Да ја припремиме Македонија за нејзиниот влез во НАТО и во ЕУ. Ние знаеме дека нема да биде лесно, дека секое припојување значи и откажување.

-Тоа би значело дека ние мораме да се откажеме од она што значи наше право. Ние мораме да ги прифатиме европските правила на игра и да кажеме и да направиме јасна дистинкција.

source: http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?...9891#komentari
Of course the A1 TV didn't came up with any numbers because the estimation say there were not even a 500 people following Boshkovski, most of them SDSM members.

Translation:

Ljube Boškoski:

- Macedonia's place is in Europe and the only way you can solve problems in the country.

"To prepare Macedonia for its NATO and EU membership. We know it will not be easy, that every affiliation means to give up."

"It would mean that we have to give up of what it means our right. We must accept the European rules of the game and to say and make a clear distinction."


This has been so insulting for my sanity that I'm almost without a proper commentary.


We are witnessing the radicalized hyper-materialization against the Macedonian spirituality and morality.
Only a material view of the world and of the man.
All activities in these psychological operations are leading to these negative social phenomena. The goal is to create confrontation, demotivation and disunity among members of our society.

There are 2 very successful methods to resist the propaganda against Macedonian interests:

1. WHEN THE PROPAGANDA ACTIVITIES ARE INTESIVE,
YOU BE RESERVED
(if they are trying to make an elephant of the ant, you make the elephant -> ant!)


This kind of behavior is recommended because often in the persuasive campaign the agitators want us to accept anything, uncritically and hasty, without thinking.

2. WHEN THEY ARE THE ABSTAINERS, YOU INTENSIFY YOUR OWN ACTIVITY
(If they are making the elephant -> ant, you do the ant -> elephant)


This method of resistance requires a state of readiness, curiosity and active participation.
The Agitators as much as they want to accentuate their advantages or benefits of their ideas, the same they want to minimize or omitt their disadvantages.

If you allow the Agitators to present only their supposed advantages then they will be taken as that.

That is why, don't allow this kind of low lifes as Boshkoski to go unnoticed with their treasonable demagoguery.
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Old 11-10-2010, 08:31 AM   #106
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Somethign to highlight it and make it even more clearer:

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Претседателот Иванов го повика претпладнево еврокомесарот Фуере за да побара објаснување, зашто не е користена редовната пракса на комуникација која се однесува на терминот „македонски“ во ноемврискиот извештај од Брисел.

„Овој извештај никогаш не го користи и никогаш нема да ја користи кратенката што ја споменавте. Овој извештај изрично вели дека е работен документ за Поранешната Југословенска Република Македонија. Тоа е временото име. Сите сте со тоа запознаени. Нема никаков обид да се смени политиката до која се држи Европската Унија во однос на ова прашање“ изјави Фуере утрово.
http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=130023


Ivanov called on Commissioner Fouere this morning to ask for an explanation, why it is not used in regular practice of communication which refers to the term "Macedonian" in the November report from Brussels.

"This report never use and never will use the abbreviation you mentioned. This report explicitly says it is a working document for the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. It is a temporary name. You're all familiar with it. There is no attempt to change the policy which holds the European Union on this issue, "said Fouere morning.

How stupid can our people and Government be and after taking so much shit from these whores to state that "our national priority" is to enter the EU.

First thing our authorities should do is to declare Fouere for Persona non Grata in Macedonia.

Second thing is to withdraw its candidature to EU.
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Old 11-10-2010, 09:14 AM   #107
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First thing our authorities should do is to declare Fouere for Persona non Grata in Macedonia.
Agreed Brate, He is made a pochesen Gragjanin in Ohrid mameto negovo. He wore the Komita Obleka in Krushevo for the Etno Fest, they should kick him out like the Slovenians did.

I think his mandate is up in the next month or so, he will be replaced with some Danish guy.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:51 PM   #108
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- Се соочуваме со стратегии на релативизација на македонскиот идентитет и на негова маргинализација. Сведоци сме на софистицирани обиди за ревизија на историјата преку промена на раскажувачките перспективи и толкувачките интереси и приоритети. Се дестабилизира системот на усвоени и меѓународно признати демократски и цивилизациски вредности. Живееме во време на несфатливи исклучоци, негации и ексклузивности. Се случува систематска пресија врз колективната психологија на македонските граѓани и посебно врз македонскиот народ - вели Ќулавкова


- We are facing strategies of relativization of the Macedonian identity and its marginalization. We are witnessing the sophisticated attempts to revise history by changing the narrative perspectives and interpretative interests and priorities. It destabilize the system of internationally adopted and recognized democratic and civilizational values. We live in a time of incomprehensible exceptions, negations and exclusivity. It happens systematic pressure on the collective psychology of the Macedonian citizens and especially against the Macedonian people - says Kulavkova


http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/New...tIzdanie=22134
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:55 PM   #109
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Praise the Lord!
Macedonians from Macedonia expressing concerns about the systematic deletion of the Macedonian identity. Receiving media attention too! There is hope.
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Old 12-03-2010, 05:15 AM   #110
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“Владата во Македонија треба да има ум дека не само што треба да има добри односи со Грција, туку и такви во кои ќе има компромис, за да на неа се гледа како на добар партнер во НАТО. Не се работи само за членството, туку земјата треба да егзистира до соседот. Мислам дека е подобро да се почне на здрава нога, кога ќе биде постигнат договор, вели Бугајски“.

http://sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/makedoni...spor-so-grcija


"The government of Macedonia should have on mind that not only should have good relations with Greece, but also those in which there will be a compromise, so it could be seen as a good partner in NATO. It is not just about membership, but the country needs to exist next to the neighbor. I think it's better to start on a healthy leg when agreement is reached", Bugajski said.

Another message in favour of Greece's demands, by Janusz Bugajski.

If we read it carrefully we get clear message that if Macedonia doesn't obey the demands of Greece and NATO to change its identity, woldn't be seen as a good "partner".

The "good relations" are not enough, but they MUST be subordinated to Greece's interest.

And I'm kind of confused about the underlined part, what is this moron suggesting precisely?

Does he says, the existance of our country is in question, in this form?
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