The Macedonian Sun & (Original) Flag

[Soldier of Macedon]

I have never been too fond of the term 'kutlesh' for the sun. It has a Turkish origin and was the name of the town until the Greeks created a new one for the area in 1922, now known as Vergina. This isn't the only place where items with the symbol have been uncovered, if that was the case we may as well call it the Ohrid sun, or Bitola sun, etc. It's down to personal choice I suppose. In my opinion, we should call and write it as the Macedonian sun. In my family, we have never used 'kutleshko sonce', it is always 'Makedonskoto sonce' and now unfortunately in some cases 'staroto sonce'.

[blackcactus]

Same SOM, I use Macedonian Sun as well, it has a nice ring to it, and sums up it's ownership nicely, it doesn't belong to a place it belongs to a people

[George S.]

THe macedonian sun belongs to the macedonian people.Greek propaganda will have you beleive that the find in vergina is a greek symbol a star,a star of vergina.But what significance does this have for the macedonian people this is the macedonian sun symbol.The different rays i'm told remind us of all the macedonian tribes.THe macedonian sun shone on it's people & gave it strength & life.People shouldn't forget that our symbol that's the macedonian sun is very special to it's own people that's the macedonians.What did the greeks do they stole our lands & they stole our symbol.Ever since then they tried to lie by saying it's a greek symbol.It's not a greek symbol.It's a macedonian symbol only for the Macedonians.THe MacedonianSUN !.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

'Makedonskoto sonce'

My preferred title.

[George S.]

i read in one of the macedonian weeklies years ago that in 1945 on rom territory was found
a golden larnax box similar to the one found in vergina and taken to germany.the whereabouts no one knows.
All over rom teritory is the macedonian sun ,in churches on churches,on buildings or anything macedonian.The macedonian sonce is allover rom territory.To say that the macedonian sun exists only in kutlesh or vergina is a complete understatement .It exists everywhere in rom.i think it should be called the macedonian sun.The sun has never been a greek symbol the only reason they are claiming it is because they are occupying macedonian territory & think they have exclusive right to usage.

[cultea]

The common view in Greece is described here: (though it shouldn't be credited specifically to Floudas)

At the same time, Demetrius Floudas, Senior Associate at Hughes Hall, Cambridge, and one of the leading analysts of the Macedonia naming dispute, claimed that:

“ what prompted the adoption of the Vergina Star was a desire from Skopje's part to advance maximalist objectives in order to barter with them for other concessions at the negotiating table when the time comes ”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergina_Sun

[Risto the Great]

Wow, a Greek making yet another ridiculous statement about the reason for the flag selection. How credible.

How common is this view cultea? Are you suggesting it is a common view that Macedonia selected their original flag because there were other issues to negotiate? Like what cultea?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Stupid view propagated by somebody who harbours stupid views.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by cultea

The common view in Greece is described here: (though it shouldn't be credited specifically to Floudas)

At the same time, Demetrius Floudas, Senior Associate at Hughes Hall, Cambridge, and one of the leading analysts of the Macedonia naming dispute, claimed that:

“ what prompted the adoption of the Vergina Star was a desire from Skopje's part to advance maximalist objectives in order to barter with them for other concessions at the negotiating table when the time comes ”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergina_Sun

...that rat cunning really reaped rewards for Macedonia...imagine if the Macedonian's had the balls to name that warrior bloke on a horse as something crazy like AtG, imagine the barter potential of that move...

With so many things named after Alexander and Phillip today our bartering potential is enormous...

[lavce pelagonski]

Did you know that Soros told Gligorov that the sonce and the lion are not acceptable symbols for Macedonia in the time of the embargo with Greece.