Macedonian Truth Forum   

Go Back   Macedonian Truth Forum > Macedonian Truth Forum > Macedonian History

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-20-2011, 04:24 PM   #21
Orfej
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 51
Orfej is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Droog View Post
On the net it's so easy to claim all kinds of stuff, without the burden of proof.

We know! Your claim is a prime example:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Droog

Just a minor addition: He used the term Macedonians in the context of Aromanians.

Soldier of Macedon asked you some questions but i don't see you answering them! Why? Have you nothing to add except the attempt to make the Macedonians in this text Vlachs?

Last edited by Orfej; 04-20-2011 at 04:29 PM.
Orfej is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2011, 04:27 PM   #22
Orfej
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 51
Orfej is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
but Italians in his opinion are a different nationality from Sicilians.
It's because he wrote the text in the 1860! You on the other hand look from the prism of today.
Orfej is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2011, 07:41 PM   #23
Soldier of Macedon
Senior Member
 
Soldier of Macedon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Macedonian Outpost
Posts: 13,404
Soldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Droog, any answers to the questions I posed?
__________________
In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
Soldier of Macedon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 01:39 AM   #24
Pelister
Senior Member
 
Pelister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,742
Pelister is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Droog View Post
The text also doesn't indicate that the reference is about ethnic Macedonians, but we do know that at that time in Greece the term Macedonians was also used about Aromanians among other groups and that Aromanians played a very important role in Greece during and after the revolution, while in the region of Macedonia the movement was virtually non-existent. If you take into account the relations of Kallergis with Albanian(in fact even his wife was Albanian) and Aromanian leaders the conclusion becomes unavoidable.
You New Greeks have a way of distorting things. I can see the interpretive mischief at work already in your interpretation of the text.

He is referring to the Macedonians, simple.

He is not referring to Greeks, because he is himself a Greek and treats the Greeks separately. He treats the Albanians separately. If he was referring to Aromanians/Vlachs, he would have said so, because they were also a distinctive group with their own name and well known throughout the region and the Greeks had their own words for the Vlachs - never 'Macedonian'.

Based on this information alone, he is treating the Macedonians as separate from the Greeks, Turks and Albanians, or as a distinctive group.

Last edited by Pelister; 04-21-2011 at 01:43 AM.
Pelister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 02:07 AM   #25
Voltron
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,363
Voltron is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelister View Post
You New Greeks have a way of distorting things. I can see the interpretive mischief at work already in your interpretation of the text.

He is referring to the Macedonians, simple.

He is not referring to Greeks, because he is himself a Greek and treats the Greeks separately. He treats the Albanians separately. If he was referring to Aromanians/Vlachs, he would have said so, because they were also a distinctive group with their own name and well known throughout the region and the Greeks had their own words for the Vlachs - never 'Macedonian'.

Based on this information alone, he is treating the Macedonians as separate from the Greeks, Turks and Albanians, or as a distinctive group.
Orfej sums this up pretty well when he said:

Quote:
It's because he wrote the text in the 1860! You on the other hand look from the prism of today.
Voltron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 03:29 AM   #26
Pelister
Senior Member
 
Pelister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,742
Pelister is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
Orfej sums this up pretty well when he said:
The Modern Greeks have identified Macedonians as a distinctive, unique and separate people for as long as there have been Modern Greeks in this world. As I said, the author distinguishes the Greeks, Albanians, Turks and Macedonians, as separate people.

He is not referring to Vlachs, because he doesn't name them.
Pelister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 03:46 AM   #27
Voltron
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,363
Voltron is on a distinguished road
Default

The question you should be asking is why he left them out in the first place ? Isnt it strange that the biggest "foreign" patriots aside from Arvanites were Vlachs yet they get no mention ? I believe this is what Droog meant and it makes sense.
That doesnt discount Macedonian volunteers of course, we are just commenting on what Kallergis said.
Voltron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 04:05 AM   #28
KingMac
Junior Member
 
KingMac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 19
KingMac is on a distinguished road
Default

If he said Macedonians then it is most likely Macedonians he means. Why mean vlatsi?
KingMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 04:07 AM   #29
Voltron
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,363
Voltron is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KingMac View Post
If he said Macedonians then it is most likely Macedonians he means. Why mean vlatsi?
Because Vlachs were a key component in the creation of Modern Greece.
Voltron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2011, 04:07 AM   #30
Soldier of Macedon
Senior Member
 
Soldier of Macedon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Macedonian Outpost
Posts: 13,404
Soldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond reputeSoldier of Macedon has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
The question you should be asking is why he left them out in the first place ? Isnt it strange that the biggest "foreign" patriots aside from Arvanites were Vlachs yet they get no mention ? I believe this is what Droog meant and it makes sense.
That doesnt discount Macedonian volunteers of course, we are just commenting on what Kallergis said.
Voltron, in response to the above, I would ask you to answer the two questions that I posed to Droog earlier. Can you?
__________________
In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
Soldier of Macedon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
kallgeris, macedonians


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump