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Old 06-17-2021, 02:30 PM   #641
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Amidst the political turmoil in Bulgaria, Zaev requested a meeting with the leader of the Bulgarian Socialist Party. Here is how he characterised it.



And here is how she responded.



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It's ironic how these people talk about the supposed discrimination of "Bulgars in Macedonia" when they keep the Macedonians in Bulgaria under a perpetual state of repression. Even more ironic is that Zaev doesn't even bring them up in discussion as a response. The differences are clear. The Bulgars have a Bulgaria first policy. The northadonian regime has a Macedonia last policy. Who knows what these traitors are cooking up for their upcoming meeting with the EU.
Who knows what Zaev is cooking up in Bulgaria today. What is being negotiated/promised?

Just within the last few hours, the following stories broke.

Zaev promises to have the Bulgarian community listed in the Constitution
https://english.republika.mk/news/ma...-constitution/

Заев: Имаме постигнато договор за 5 историски личности и за 3 историски периоди
https://kajgana.com/zaev-imame-posti...oriski-periodi

I thought it was up to the joint Macedonian-Bulgarian commission to decide on this? Does this make their work irrelevant?
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Old 06-17-2021, 05:11 PM   #642
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I thought it was up to the joint Macedonian-Bulgarian commission to decide on this?
Apparently the interim PM of Bulgaria, with whom Zaev just met, thinks otherwise.
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Решението на прашањето меѓу двете земји е во политичарите. На историчарите не треба да им се остава да бидат предводници во политиката, затоа што политиката е одговорност на владите, вели бугарскиот премиер Стефан Јанев во интервју за МИА. Тој смета дека двете влади треба да седнат и прагматично да разговараат што може да се направи, за да се постигне решение. Историчарите се луѓе на науката. Според мене, луѓето од науката треба да се занимаваат само со наука, да си ги докажуваат тезите, и се разбира, врз база на факти и докази со неопходната сериозност и одговорност. Но ним не треба да им се остава да бидат предводници во однос на политиката, затоа што политиката е одговорност на владите. Политиката е одговорност на извршната власт, којашто одговара на потребите на граѓаните. Потребите на граѓаните се дефинираат преку гласање на соодветните избори, односно решението на ова прашање е во политичкиот живот и во владите на двете држави, изјавил Јанев. Според него, исполнувањето на Договорот за добрососедство се одвива бавно, додека Заедничката македонско-бугарска комисија за историски и образовни прашања не постигнала ништо во нејзиното работење. Да, кажавме дека таа Комисија треба нешто да постигне, но очигледно е дека таа ништо не заврши. Тоа беше јасно уште првата, втората година. Треба да чекаме уште пет години таа комисија да постигне нешто? Според мене, тоа не е реално, додава Јанев.
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Zaev promises to have the Bulgarian community listed in the Constitution
https://english.republika.mk/news/ma...-constitution/

Заев: Имаме постигнато договор за 5 историски личности и за 3 историски периоди
https://kajgana.com/zaev-imame-posti...oriski-periodi
Zaev is doing his best to present his arse-kissing tour in the domicile of the Bulgars in a positive light. Here are some of his statements from the kajgana link cited above (translated):
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- Our two presidents were in the Vatican and bowed before Saints Cyril and Methodius and together we celebrate that, as do Clement and Naum, as did Tsar Samuel.

- Then, he (Zaev) said, there should be implementation in the textbooks because, as he pointed out, this is how we will teach the young generations what is the historical truth that we have agreed on.

- I believe that we will have even greater results from the historical-educational commission from the Bulgarian and Macedonian side, said Prime Minister Zaev. He added that history is very important. but because the present and the future are even more important.

- RS Macedonia must open the Constitution before membership and our position is that all less numerous nations in our country should be registered, including the Bulgarian, the Croatian people is not registered - we have a Croatian community and other communities that we do not have. Our Constitution was created in 1991 and then it was created alongside the Macedonian, Albanian people, Bosniaks and Serbs, Turks, Vlachs and Roma are included and it is called by other peoples, so if we want to be an EU member we must have a European a constitution in which, following the example of one Croatia, for example, we will include other nations, said the Prime Minister at a press conference in Sofia.

- Today we met with the leaders of two political parties, and requested a meeting with the four largest political parties in accordance with the results of the last elections.

- "I believe that the problems are not unsolvable and I believe that the interest of both the Republic of Bulgaria and the entire Bulgarian people is the whole region of the Western Balkans, and especially the Republic of Northern Macedonia to continue its path to EU integration," said Prime Minister Zaev, in answer to a reporter's question.

- We have no problem with opening our historical archives. Today we submitted a declaration from 2006 which was adopted by our Macedonian Parliament, condemnation of the actions from the time from 1945 to 1990 that happened to all citizens of the then communism, including the citizens with Bulgarian determination in the country and we submitted it today. And we have no doubt that every time there were specifics in all countries, as well as in RS Macedonia, said Zaev.

- He (Vlado Buckovski) is leading the Macedonian delegation at today's meetings with Janev and Bulgarian President Rumen Radev, and the purpose of his working visit to Sofia is to intensify efforts to find solutions to open issues and unblock the Macedonian European integration process. The visit comes a week before the General Affairs Council meeting on 22 June and before the EU Summit on 24 and 25 June.
Achievements include the common "celebration" of five historical figures from Macedonia, soliciting the support of his fellow SDS thief and traitor to meet with the Bulgar president, meeting with all of the main political parties in Bulgaria to beg for approval and an ambiguous reference to the "entire Bulgarian people". Proposals include changes to the textbooks of Macedonian children so they can be taught Macedonian history from a Bulgar perspective rather than that of their own forefathers who lived the Macedonian experience, more changes to the constitution to include reference to numerically insignificant minorities but mainly to placate a small bunch of irrelevant bulgarophiles who will use this to further their propaganda in Macedonia, and allowing access to the historical archives in Macedonia so the Bulgars can further manipulate Macedonian history. That is how this treacherous rat is "securing" the Macedonian identity. Nothing about changes to the constitution of Bulgaria. Nothing about children's textbooks in Bulgaria. Nothing about the historical archives of Bulgaria. Nothing about the Macedonians in Bulgaria. No reciprocation whatsoever. And even all of that doesn't seem to be enough to satiate the despicable Bulgar politicians. Interesting week coming up.
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But don't worry. They all know they're Macedonians. I keep hearing that old chestnut.

A pity nobody else knows they're Macedonians.
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The news out of Bulgaria yesterday was rather confusing. Not sure what to believe anymore -- total chaos. Zaev said there was a "breakthrough" yesterday, and Macedonian media was reporting that a possible "roadmap"/"solution" was tabled which the Bulgarians are supposed to review now. The Macedonian government this morning denied those reports, saying that only "mutual trust and dialogue" was discussed yesterday. Bulgarian outlets are reporting this morning Zaev offered to declare that the Macedonian and the Bulgarian languages are the same.

Zaev offered to declare that the Macedonian and the Bulgarian languages are the same

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https://english.republika.mk/news/ma...-are-the-same/

Bulgarian media outlets are reporting that a possible concessions Zoran Zaev is going to make to the Bulgarian side is to declare that the Macedonian language is identical to the Bulgarian. Zaev was in Sofia yesterday, for a desperate, last minute attempt to get Bulgaria to approve the opening of EU accession talks with Macedonia at the European Council next week.

The guest offered five versions of a compromise that would be included in a political declaration. One of them was a formula for the linguistic dispute that would state that Bulgarians and Macedonians speak a same language, but that it is internationally recognized as two separate languages, “24 Chasa” reported. The paper also reports that a declaration will be made that the two nations are “brotherly”. Bulgaria insists that the Macedonian nation recently emerged from the Bulgarian, under pressure of the Yugoslav authorities, and that the Macedonian language is similarly forcefully derived from the Bulgarian.

Zaev himself opened the door to adding the Bulgarian ethnic community in Macedonia to the Constitution, which already names the Albanians, Roma, Turks, Vlachs, Serbs and Bosniaks, along with the Macedonians.

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Doesn't Zaev realise that he will be out of office before any EU funding ("DEBT") comes through to Macedonia if it ever gets in? He won't be around to syphon his share of money out of the yet to be hatched scams. What a disgraceful person. Why isn't every Macedonian spitting at him in public?
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Partial translation of the article in the link.
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Bulgarian citizens are against concessions for Macedonia, Zaev appeals for good neighborliness and believes in a solution

A huge percentage of Bulgarian citizens do not agree with Sofia making concessions in the dispute with Macedonia, according to the results of a telephone poll by the Gallup polling agency. According to Gallup, as reported by the Bulgarian media, 70% of the respondents are against Bulgaria lifting the veto on Macedonia's accession to the European Union, and almost 20% have the opposite opinion. The others are still hesitant. The poll was conducted on a sample of 890 adult Bulgarian citizens between June 14th and 16th, just days before the Macedonian government delegation visited Sofia.
On the one hand, Bulgar politicians complain about the negative sentiment in Macedonia towards Bulgar propaganda, on the other, they foster hatred in their own country against Macedonia. Tell us more about good neighbourly relations you steppe-nostalgic charlatans.
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Macedonians in Bulgaria: Denial of Macedonian minority is last remnant of totalitarian policies in EU

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A group of organizations representing Macedonians in Bulgaria has published a report on the violation of the rights of Macedonians covering last year’s events. The report, published by the Macedonian International Human Rights Movement, cites numerous examples of violations of political rights by Bulgarian institutions, hate speech by senior officials and the media against Macedonians, and examples of how courts are creating legal mazes to prevent the registration of Macedonian organizations.

The report estimates that the situation of Macedonians in Bulgaria is unlikely to improve without serious external intervention, primarily by European institutions.

Denial and discrimination of the Macedonian minority is the last remnant of totalitarian policies in the European Union, say Macedonian organizations, which ask Bulgaria to urgently recognize the existence of ethnic minorities in the country, amend the law on registration of NGOs, annul the 2000 decision of the Constitutional Court and the 1990 Declaration of the Parliament which deny the existence of the Macedonian minority, and to implement the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights by allowing the registration of Macedonian organizations, reads the report.

Their 30-page report describes how the registration of Macedonian organizations such as the Ilinden organization is banned, despite the fact that in some of these cases, there are rulings of the European Court of Human Rights that are 20 years old. It also points out that Bulgaria has been condemned this year by the Committee for the respect of the obligations of member states in the Council of Europe, which called on Bulgaria to “take decisive action to implement the rulings of the European Court of Human Rights regarding the recognition of the right to freedom of association of persons wishing to promote the recognition of the Macedonian minority in Bulgaria and to promote Macedonian culture… and to allow persons identifying themselves as ethnic Macedonians to register their associations and to refrain from the practice of refusing registration due to the non-recognition of the Macedonian minority in Bulgaria”.
It pains me to say this, but just like in Егејска, the Macedonian identity in Bulgaria has been 99.9% removed.

In fact, in Bulgaria the situation is more dire than in Greece as in Bulgaria some people will openly call themselves "Macedonians" but it is essentially a synonym for "Bulgarian." They mean it in the historical, geographical term. When the Macedonians in Bulgaria say there are "Macedonian" they mean that they are Bulgarians from Western Bulgaria.

I don't know who these organizations are, but your rights in Bulgaria are solidified as a Macedonian because Bulgarians view the two as the same. If you say (and having spent time in Bulgaria, believe me I have many times), that you are Macedonian and not Bulgarian, and that the two are different, they'll simply look at you funny, laugh it off, and treat you like a confused little brother. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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