Vlado Crnozemski (Macedonian revolutionary)

[Big Bad Sven]

Originally Posted by Prolet

BBS, But you cant put him on the same ranks as Goce Delcev,Pitu Guli,Dame Gruev,Jane Sandanski,Aleksandar Makedonski,Filip II,Chento etc

He's not worthy enough to be put in our national anthem thats for sure.

I never said that he should be put on the national anthem, but he is one of our national heroes i believe.

[Bratot]

Originally Posted by Da Zhive IMRO

how bout mara buneva, vlado chernozemski, or the miladinov's? or izgrai zora?

Originally Posted by Prolet

Mara Buneva? LOL

She killed a Serbian Nachalnik and all of the sudden she is a national hero? Vlado Crnozemski these people are not national heros.

Originally Posted by Big Bad Sven

Im not too sure about Mara Buneva, but Vlado Crnozemski is a national hero in my opinion. He was one of the only shining lights in macedonia in the 1930's for hope and was very important not just to macedonian history but world history as well.

Plus there is famous old macedonian folk song about him which is very popular:

If we try to "mention" all those who died and worked for Macedonia, I doubt we could fit them all in a regular anthem.

Honestly, Mara Buneva did nothing for the cause nor her motives are clear, I would say it's an ordinary person used today as a propaganda tool by the Bulgarians.

We should tend honouring those persons characterized with pure cause devotion and symbolize the Macedonian strive for unification, freedom and a national prosperity.


Vlado Cernozemski was not Macedonian, this is not even his real name as he obtained couple of them working as a assassin for Vanco Mihajlov, he is directly responsible for killing couple of Macedonian revolutionaries such as Gjorche Petrov.

He was trained killer with cold blood, pure Bulgarian, born in Bulgaria and certainly his assassination of the Serbian King in Paris was celebrated in Macedonia and not only, but also in the other countries under his regime such as Bosnia, Croatia and this was not only aimed against the Serbian regime but also in cooperation with Nazi German and Faschist Italian connections through Crotian Ustashi movement and Mihajlovist VMRO in order to kill not only the Serbian King who was more as collateral damage in the priority of killing the french ministeur I think as to break the agreement of non-arming Hitler's Germany.

The French was the main target, as a common work of all nazi structures and later allies - Germany, Italy, Croatia and Bulgaria.

The common people the peasant never really knew nor care who this person was - Cernozemski, all they were thankful is killing of the Serbian Tyran of King, that's why from their long suffering under his regime have honored Cernozemski with a song, but from nowadays perspective without blaming them for anything, Cernozemski was enemy of Macedonians same as rest of the Vrhovist and Serb chetniks working against our national movement.

That's why I urge better consult more history arguments before ending in such unpleasant absurd of celebrating our own murderer.

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Macedonia is much more than the "Krushevo Republic" .... it definitely needs changing!

Of course, that was result of the Socialist idealogy to celebrate the victory in 2 WW and componing an anthem in a politically subjective climate, excluding persons as Nikola Karev even though was a President of the Krushevo Republic and replaced with the Vlach - Pitu Guli, without mentioning many other historically significant persons such as Samoil, Kiril&Metodij, Kliment&Naum, Karposh etc. etc.

[Big Bad Sven]

Originally Posted by Bratot

If we try to "mention" all those who died and worked for Macedonia, I doubt we could fit them all in a regular anthem.

Honestly, Mara Buneva did nothing for the cause nor her motives are clear, I would say it's an ordinary person used today as a propaganda tool by the Bulgarians.

We should tend honouring those persons characterized with pure cause devotion and symbolize the Macedonian strive for unification, freedom and a national prosperity.


Vlado Cernozemski was not Macedonian, this is not even his real name as he obtained couple of them working as a assassin for Vanco Mihajlov, he is directly responsible for killing couple of Macedonian revolutionaries such as Gjorche Petrov.

He was trained killer with cold blood, pure Bulgarian, born in Bulgaria and certainly his assassination of the Serbian King in Paris was celebrated in Macedonia and not only, but also in the other countries under his regime such as Bosnia, Croatia and this was not only aimed against the Serbian regime but also in cooperation with Nazi German and Faschist Italian connections through Crotian Ustashi movement and Mihajlovist VMRO in order to kill not only the Serbian King who was more as collateral damage in the priority of killing the french ministeur I think as to break the agreement of non-arming Hitler's Germany.

The French was the main target, as a common work of all nazi structures and later allies - Germany, Italy, Croatia and Bulgaria.

The common people the peasant never really knew nor care who this person was - Cernozemski, all they were thankful is killing of the Serbian Tyran of King, that's why from their long suffering under his regime have honored Cernozemski with a song, but from nowadays perspective without blaming them for anything, Cernozemski was enemy of Macedonians same as rest of the Vrhovist and Serb chetniks working against our national movement.

That's why I urge better consult more history arguments before ending in such unpleasant absurd of celebrating our own murderer.



Of course, that was result of the Socialist idealogy to celebrate the victory in 2 WW and componing an anthem in a politically subjective climate, excluding persons as Nikola Karev even though was a President of the Krushevo Republic and replaced with the Vlach - Pitu Guli, without mentioning many other historically significant persons such as Samoil, Kiril&Metodij, Kliment&Naum, Karposh etc. etc.

Yes I know all about that stuff about Crnozemski, still doesn’t change my opinion about him. Just because he was working for the VMRO that came under Mihailov’s control doesn’t mean he was a Bulgarian slav. For a lot of Macedonians the Pirin “state within a state” scenario in Bulgaria was the only tool and method good Macedonians could use to continue the fight of preserving Macedonian culture. No every one in that organisation was a Bulgarian or bugaroman. I believe it was because of their actions and promotion of the idea of a Macedonian state and people it helped the Macedonians in Pirin, vardar and Aegean fight on and combat the forced assimilation and remember that they are Macedonian.
Ivan Mihailov was a bastard bugaroman and evil man, but again not everyone involved in the pirin region were like him.

We don’t know a lot about Vlado Crnozemski and his origins except that he was born in Bulgaria. That could mean anything to tell you the truth especially that a lot of people from the entire Macedonian region left Macedonia in the last years of the ottoman empire because of war and terrorism. Perhaps his family originated from Macedonia and fled to Bulgaria, perhaps this explains his passion towards Macedonia. I am just assuming these things.

Anyway lets say he was a ethnic “Bulgar”, it still doesn’t matter in my opinion. If we look at some of Croatia’s national hero’s they are not even Croatian or born in Croatia. Laval Nugent von Westmeath was a Irishman that “became” croat and is seen as a national croat hero. Josip Frank was another national croat hero but was a jew. August Šenoa is another “famous” croat whose family is of Czech and Slovak background and migrated to Croatia.

You also can look at the modern “greeks”, all of their “heroes” in the “Greek struggle for Macedonia” mainly didn’t come from the Macedonian region but from Cyprus, Asia and other parts of Grease.

Pitu Guli and Jordan Piperkata were not “ethnically” Macedonian but you cant question their will and desire for the Macedonian cause, and call them Macedonian heroes.

You mentioned something about Crnozemski killing Macedonians, the only one I can find some information on is Crnozemski killing Dimo Hadzhidimov. Do you have any info on Vlado assassinating Gjorche Petrov? Again this doesn’t bother me too much because as you know Macedonian history is riddled with Macedonians killing each other. Even some of the Illenden revolutionary’s didn’t like each other and plotted against each other.

I think Mara Buneva is a ethnic Macedonian and a brave woman, but may have been mislead or used by the vile Bulgarian slavs.

Anyway I will continue to look at Crnozemski as a Macedonian patriot/”terrorist”/assassin just like how we always have and just how most western scholars/sources view him as a Macedonian

[Bratot]

I don't like to be compared with Greeks or Bulgarians and to use the history as they do.


Privately you may honor anyone you like, but an anthem do need seriosness.

"Tреперете тирани и поробители на Македониjа! Духот на Хаџидимов денес одново лебди и застрашува засекогаш да го сруши вашиот режим и над неговите рушевини да воскресне слободна и независна Македониjа!"

("Димо Хаджи Димов", в. "Македонски Глас", 2, Буенос Айрес, Октомври 1935, стр. 1-2).


На 9.02.1934 в Солун, по идея на френския външен министър Луи Барту, е създаден Балканският пакт –
военно-политически съюз на Гърция, Румъния, Турция и Югославия, насочен срещу България.

That was another reason of assassinating Loui Bartou.

АТЕНТАТИ ЈА ОДБЕЛЕЖАЛЕ МАКЕДОНСКА БОРБА

Откако Черноземски му завршил многу крвави задачи, Михајлов му го позајмил на Анте Павелиќ за да го убие српскиот крал. На 15 јули 1932 година го повикал и му рекол: ’Сега одиш кај нашите браќа, Хрвати. Борбата е иста само различен е фронтот. Непријателот е истиот.“

Атентатот во Марсеј бил извршен на 9 октомври 1934 година. Черноземски покрај кралот го убил и францускиот министер за надворешни работи Луј Барту. Притоа бил убиен и Черноземски. Француски полицаец го исекол со сабја. Французите дознале дека атентаторот е терорист на Михајлов по черепот и четирите букви ВМРО истетовирани на неговото тело.


http://www.globusmagazin.com.mk/?Ite...C6DD448838E4CF

[Big Bad Sven]

Originally Posted by Bratot

I don't like to be compared with Greeks or Bulgarians and to use the history as they do.


Privately you may honor anyone you like, but an anthem do need seriosness.

"Tреперете тирани и поробители на Македониjа! Духот на Хаџидимов денес одново лебди и застрашува засекогаш да го сруши вашиот режим и над неговите рушевини да воскресне слободна и независна Македониjа!"

("Димо Хаджи Димов", в. "Македонски Глас", 2, Буенос Айрес, Октомври 1935, стр. 1-2).


На 9.02.1934 в Солун, по идея на френския външен министър Луи Барту, е създаден Балканският пакт –
военно-политически съюз на Гърция, Румъния, Турция и Югославия, насочен срещу България.

That was another reason of assassinating Loui Bartou.

АТЕНТАТИ ЈА ОДБЕЛЕЖАЛЕ МАКЕДОНСКА БОРБА

Откако Черноземски му завршил многу крвави задачи, Михајлов му го позајмил на Анте Павелиќ за да го убие српскиот крал. На 15 јули 1932 година го повикал и му рекол: ’Сега одиш кај нашите браќа, Хрвати. Борбата е иста само различен е фронтот. Непријателот е истиот.“

Атентатот во Марсеј бил извршен на 9 октомври 1934 година. Черноземски покрај кралот го убил и францускиот министер за надворешни работи Луј Барту. Притоа бил убиен и Черноземски. Француски полицаец го исекол со сабја. Французите дознале дека атентаторот е терорист на Михајлов по черепот и четирите букви ВМРО истетовирани на неговото тело.


http://www.globusmagazin.com.mk/?Ite...C6DD448838E4CF

Vlado Crnozemski did not kill the French politician. It has been revealed that he died to being shot accidently by the french guards. Vlado's main intentions seem to be only the Yugoslavian king and the driver of the car.

Vlado Crnozemski entered Vardar macedonia and battled with serbian authorities numerous times even before the french minister went to Thessaloniki to sign a pact with the other balkan nations to go against bulgaria.

Vlado Crnozemski wanted to cause a scene in the Leauge of Nations in paris in 1927 so that the wordl could know of the oppression of the macedonians.

My belief, which also is backed by many sources, is that he along with his group Killed the yugoslav king and attacked serbian and greek authorities because of the poor treatment of the macedonians - not because of France's policies.


Why did Alexander die?

The newsreel reports that the trigger in Marseilles was pulled by "a Croat terrorist, bound by a blood oath." Again, the sense given is of a man cut down by primordial forces at work in his own neighborhood. Over the next few days of media coverage, though, a different story emerged. On the assassin's body a Czech passport was found, identifying him as Petrus Kalemen. Nationality was less clear: was he Croat? Or was he Czech, or Hungarian? Before that discussion had subsided, it was reported that the passport was forged, and attention then turned to a more permanent mark of identification, a tattoo on his left arm. Although different details were given, all agreed it included a skull and crossbones and some capital letters. A Yugoslav journalist who saw the tattoo told the press corps it was the symbol of the Macedonian Revolutionary Organization: fingerprints were sent from Paris and Sofia to Belgrade, and on October 17 it was officially announced that the killer was Vlado Chernozemski, Mihailov's former right-hand man. A number of other individuals were arrested in France and charged as accomplices: all were Croats, and when they were interrogated, the plot thickened further. Ante Pavelic, the head of a Croatian nationalist and terrorist group known as the Ustashe, was implicated. The Macedonian connection was complemented by assertions of Hungarian complicity: allegedly, the killers had trained there before the camps had been closed down.

Yugoslavia issued charges against Hungary. In defense, Hungary's foreign minister Tibor Eckhardt pointed to Yugoslavia's internal woes, where at least some Croats and Macedonians nursed resentment at their second-class status and Serbian oppression. Eckhardt further asserted that Alexander's death sentence was passed not in Hungary, but in Croat communities such as those in Buenos Aires and Youngstown Ohio (Chicago Daily Tribune December 8 pp.1-2: Eckhardt 1964:164). Lastly, he launched a counter-attack, indicating the much stronger evidence of Italian involvement which Yugoslavia, and her West European allies, appeared to be ignoring. Other sources also cast the net of conspiracy further. The Daily Mail on October 12 carried a story that what the assassinations in Marseilles confirmed was the existence of a murder plot to destroy peace in Europe. The violent deaths of Alexander and Barthou were the successors to those of Ion Duca, Rumanian leader killed by right-wingers, and Dolfuss, chancellor of Austria, victim of Nazi thugs. The story speculated that Titulescu, Rumanian foreign minister, might be next.4 Newspapers in the internationally governed Saar region of Germany and in Russia accused Hitler's Nazi Régime of involvement--a line taken up after the Second World War in East Germany, where researchers claimed the existence of a plan code-named Teutonschwert. (Thorndike, Thorndike and Roddatz 1959).5

The mix of rumor and hard evidence regarding criminal conspiracy was further complicated by allegations that the negligence of the French police was not accidental, but the product of planning. Potentially embarrassing too was the discrepancy between the number and direction of shots fired by the assailant, and the number of civilian spectators killed or wounded by gunfire: some officers, it appeared, panicked and fired into the crowd.6 Italy and Germany did not cooperate in the investigation. Neither Britain, where appeasers remained powerful, nor France where the strongly anti-German Barthou was replaced by Pierre Laval, mustered the political will to challenge their recalcitrance. The small fry who had been captured in France all served some prison time, and Hungary was censured. No further efforts were made to delve too deeply into an issue, which many saw as a flashpoint that might spark a new war in Europe. And so the causes for Alexander's death were pinned on the local squabbling that he and other Balkan leaders had been striving to end.


http://www.watsoninstitute.org/pub_detail.cfm?ID=132


Although he announced the end of the dictatorship in 1931 and proclaimed a new constitution, he kept power in his own hands. His authoritarian and centralizing policy brought him the hatred of the separatist minorities, particularly the Croats and Macedonians, as well as the opposition of Serbian liberals
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Al...goslavia).aspx

[Bratot]

Look, you may interpret it without concerning the reality and the higher stake behind it.

The crucial thing you did not mentioned is the Mijo Kralj - the first assassin delegated to commit this assassination who got "paralized" in the moment where he was supposed to shot.

Than Vlado came in and took the mission.

According to Milichevitch9 the three condemned Ustashis were released from jail in France, in 1940, by the Nazis, but were put to death during the war by Antun Godine,10 at that time Chief of the Croat Secret Police. The three liberated Ustashis had become dissatisfied with their treatment back home and were talking too much for their own good.

http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/eckh/eckh04.htm

If you watch the video you can see the clear shot in the French ministeur.
And whose bullet really killed him, if there were indeed more, I don't intend playing around.

You chose to ignore the assassination of plenty Macedonian revolutionaries because of this assassination on the Serbian King commited by the same person.
That's not something to be erased nor ignored, nor could provide a sincere honor to this cold blooded murderer.

Mihajlov was a born Macedonian, of a Vlach origin too, but I don't think anyone will come up with idea of celebrating him in our anthem.

We can agree that VMRO had both black&white sides in our history but it depends on us to which we'll recall today.

[Big Bad Sven]

Originally Posted by Bratot

Look, you may interpret it without concerning the reality and the higher stake behind it.

The crucial thing you did not mentioned is the Mijo Kralj - the first assassin delegated to commit this assassination who got "paralized" in the moment where he was supposed to shot.

Than Vlado came in and took the mission.



If you watch the video you can see the clear shot in the French ministeur.
And whose bullet really killed him, if there were indeed more, I don't intend playing around.

You chose to ignore the assassination of plenty Macedonian revolutionaries because of this assassination on the Serbian King commited by the same person.
That's not something to be erased nor ignored, nor could provide a sincere honor to this cold blooded murderer.

Mihajlov was a born Macedonian, of a Vlach origin too, but I don't think anyone will come up with idea of celebrating him in our anthem.

We can agree that VMRO had both black&white sides in our history but it depends on us to which we'll recall today.

Vlado was one of the most accurate shots on fire within the VMRO. His aim with the gun was deadly accurate, we was the perfect killer and assassin for VMRO. I think some one who is that good at shooting accurately wouldn’t have much difficulty at least hitting the French minister. Especially that the French minister was next to the Yugoslav king. Also it is important to consider that the first person on his target was the Yugoslav king.
It doesn’t matter anyway as we are just presuming things and we will never know what Vlado’s true intentions were as we was killed by the French guards. But the fact is that the French Minister was killed accidentally by the French soldiers, not Vlado. This is a known thing.

Vancho Mihailov was a Macedonian that good intentions but was corrupted by vile Bulgarian slav propaganda. Even though he was born in Macedonia and was ethnically Macedonian I don’t consider this bugaroman bastard a Macedonian as he killed and tortured Macedonians who opposed his bugaroman ways in vardar and Aegean Macedonia. Vlado Crnozemski may have not been from Macedonia and perhaps was not ethnically Macedonian but he tried fighting for a united Macedonia and never harmed innocent civilians, and died for the Macedonian cause.

You posted some info on the croats, big deal. They may have been Nazi sympathisers but I don’t believe VMRO were pro Nazi or pro-german like the Croats. VMRO was all about united Macedonia.

In regards to the assassinations done by Vlado, like I said even many of the influential people from the Illenden uprising plotted to kill each other. It is a curse in our blood to be traitors and kill ourselves.

[Big Bad Sven]

Ah, it appears i was right. Vlado's familiy were orginally from Macedonia but migrated to Bulgaria.

I have obtained this information from a bulgarian source though:

"According to Bulgarian records, he was born in the village of Kamenitsa, near Peshtera, Bulgaria on October 19, 1897. His parents came from the Bulgarian part of Macedonia. He joined the IMRO in 1922. "


So there goes the great claim that he was ethnically a bulgarian slav.....

[Bratot]

Originally Posted by Big Bad Sven

Vlado was one of the most accurate shots on fire within the VMRO. His aim with the gun was deadly accurate, we was the perfect killer and assassin for VMRO. I think some one who is that good at shooting accurately wouldn’t have much difficulty at least hitting the French minister. Especially that the French minister was next to the Yugoslav king. Also it is important to consider that the first person on his target was the Yugoslav king.
It doesn’t matter anyway as we are just presuming things and we will never know what Vlado’s true intentions were as we was killed by the French guards. But the fact is that the French Minister was killed accidentally by the French soldiers, not Vlado. This is a known thing.

Do you read yourself while typing and when drawing conclussions after?

Vlado was not sent with his private intentions, he was a trained assassin and he did executions for his boss - Vancho Mihajlov.

He follows orders.

Vancho Mihailov was a Macedonian that good intentions but was corrupted by vile Bulgarian slav propaganda. Even though he was born in Macedonia and was ethnically Macedonian I don’t consider this bugaroman bastard a Macedonian as he killed and tortured Macedonians who opposed his bugaroman ways in vardar and Aegean Macedonia. Vlado Crnozemski may have not been from Macedonia and perhaps was not ethnically Macedonian but he tried fighting for a united Macedonia and never harmed innocent civilians, and died for the Macedonian cause.

I cannot understand how is this, you refuse Vancho but honor Vlado.. Vancho gaved orders to kill, Vlado implemented them on field.

You posted some info on the croats, big deal. They may have been Nazi sympathisers but I don’t believe VMRO were pro Nazi or pro-german like the Croats. VMRO was all about united Macedonia.

It is a big deal, they survived the mission, Vlado not, they were set free by the NAZIS as enough to point out what was the purpose of their mission with involvment of Vlado.
What business would have the Nazi in killing just the Serbian King?

They used the Croat Ustashi and VMRO of Mihajlov both very close to the Nazi-Fascistic coallition in order to accomplish their goals.

In regards to the assassinations done by Vlado, like I said even many of the influential people from the Illenden uprising plotted to kill each other. It is a curse in our blood to be traitors and kill ourselves.

That's why a decent Macedonian with healthy mind will not honor a man for whose intentions can only presume but judging from his acts is responsible for the execution of true Macedonian intelectuals and revolutioneirs who were a great lose for our cause.

Originally Posted by Big Bad Sven

Ah, it appears i was right. Vlado's familiy were orginally from Macedonia but migrated to Bulgaria.

I have obtained this information from a bulgarian source though:

"According to Bulgarian records, he was born in the village of Kamenitsa, near Peshtera, Bulgaria on October 19, 1897. His parents came from the Bulgarian part of Macedonia. He joined the IMRO in 1922. "


So there goes the great claim that he was ethnically a bulgarian slav.....

When you are put in possition to lay upon on Bulgarian sources who tend in every cost to present the twisted truth, you are doomed in a idealogical failure.

My discussion about Vlado ends here, you are free to interpret his role in your way but fully responcible of ignoring my warning about the risk you accept.

Cheers,
M

[Big Bad Sven]

Originally Posted by Bratot

Do you read yourself while typing and when drawing conclussions after?

Vlado was not sent with his private intentions, he was a trained assassin and he did executions for his boss - Vancho Mihajlov.

He follows orders.



I cannot understand how is this, you refuse Vancho but honor Vlado.. Vancho gaved orders to kill, Vlado implemented them on field.






It is a big deal, they survived the mission, Vlado not, they were set free by the NAZIS as enough to point out what was the purpose of their mission with involvment of Vlado.
What business would have the Nazi in killing just the Serbian King?

They used the Croat Ustashi and VMRO of Mihajlov both very close to the Nazi-Fascistic coallition in order to accomplish their goals.



That's why a decent Macedonian with healthy mind will not honor a man for whose intentions can only presume but judging from his acts is responsible for the execution of true Macedonian intelectuals and revolutioneirs who were a great lose for our cause.




When you are put in possition to lay upon on Bulgarian sources who tend in every cost to present the twisted truth, you are doomed in a idealogical failure.

My discussion about Vlado ends here, you are free to interpret his role in your way but fully responcible of ignoring my warning about the risk you accept.

Cheers,
M

“Do you read yourself while typing and when drawing conclussions after?
Vlado was not sent with his private intentions, he was a trained assassin and he did executions for his boss - Vancho Mihajlov.
He follows orders.”

Well what was he going to do? What were his orders? Was he going to France to Kill the Yugoslav king to bring the Macedonian issue to the attention of the world (as he always wanted to do, as it has he was recorded stating) or was he going to France to kill the French minister in a evil plot hatched by Adolph Hitler and the Nazi’s as you claimed? How can you be so sure of yourself that his intentions and missions were to kill the French minister when 1) he didn’t kill the minister, and 2) Vlado was killed after he killed the King of Yugoslavia.

“I cannot understand how is this, you refuse Vancho but honor Vlado.. Vancho gaved orders to kill, Vlado implemented them on field.”

Vlado did not kill or torture innocent Macedonian civilians or peasants, like Vanche. You do realise that the Pirin region of Macedonia was the only active Macedonian front after WW1 for Macedonians and accepting many Macedonian refugees from Aegean and vardar Macedonia amongst their ranks. They had no other option if they wanted to continue the fight of free Macedonia. You can’t think of all Macedonians in the Pirin branch of VMRO as “Nazis” or “Bugaromans”. Using that logic then I guess all of the Macedonians who thought in the greek cival war were all dirty communists and worshiped the works of Karl Marx and thought to spread communism.

”That's why a decent Macedonian with healthy mind will not honor a man for whose intentions can only presume but judging from his acts is responsible for the execution of true Macedonian intelectuals and revolutioneirs who were a great lose for our cause.”

I guess we better stop looking at Boris Safarov as a Macedonian heroe as he had intentions of killing the noble Jordan Piperkata, as the information on this discussion suggests:
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...hp/t-1310.html

While on the subject of macedonian heroes i find it interesting that Vlado was in Todor Alexandrov's macedonian band, and was respected by Todor Alexandrov and promoted to a high position in the band. Vlado also killed Dimo Hadji-Dimoff, the Bulgarian Communist leader accused by IMRO of complicity in Todor Alexandrov's murder.

”When you are put in possition to lay upon on Bulgarian sources who tend in every cost to present the twisted truth, you are doomed in a idealogical failure.”

Well considering that he was born in Bulgaria and his birth certificate is in Bulgaria im not left with much choice am I? Googling has shown the same results and only unfortunately from Bulgarian slav sources. It appears that you dint like the fact that this man’s family originates from Macedonia? Why is that?

“My discussion about Vlado ends here, you are free to interpret his role in your way but fully responcible of ignoring my warning about the risk you accept.”

Ok, that sounds reasonable. Im not to sure of what “risk” I will be taking. I will continue to view Vlado as a Macedonian hero, just as the rest of the Macedonians have in the past and today, and will continue to listen to old Macedonian folk songs about him.

Cheers