Slovo -Jesus epithet - Page 4

Goce Homer MakeDonski · 04-05-2016, 11:29 AM

"In this sign you will conquer"

As legend stated " In hoc signo vinces (in this sign you will conquer)"
It become a battlefield symbol but if we pass over the legend we will note that the Constantine's environmental victory happen after he does recognize of Christianity as official religion of his Empire

Goce Homer MakeDonski · 04-05-2016, 12:58 PM

The history of the cross symbol in Christianity

Early depictions on Jesus usually showed Jesus in the form of a shepherd carrying a lamb. Tertullian (140-230 CE), a Montanist heretic, commented in his essay De Corona: "At every forward step and movement, at every going in and out, when we put on our our clothes and shoes, when we bathe, when we sit at table, when we light the lamps, on couch, on seat, in all the ordinary actions of daily life, we trace upon the forehead the sign." This might be an early reference to individuals tracing the sign of the cross on their body.

The use of the cross as a symbol was condemned by at least one church father of the 3rd century CE because of its Pagan origins. The first appearance of a cross in Christian art is on a Vatican sarcophagus from the mid-5th Century. 11 It was a Greek cross with equal-length arms. Jesus' body was not shown. The first crucifixion scenes didn't appear in Christian art until the 7th century CE. The original cross symbol was in the form of a Tau Cross. It was so named because it looked like the letter "tau", or our letter "T". One author speculates that the Church may have copied the symbol from the Pagan Druids who made crosses in this form to represent the Thau (god). 7 They joined two limbs from oak trees. The Tau cross became associated with St. Philip who was allegedly crucified on such a cross in Phrygia. May Day, a major Druidic seasonal day of celebration, became St. Philip's Day. Later in Christian history, the Tau Cross became the Roman Cross that we are familiar with today.

The shape of the original crucifixion device is a matter for speculation. Sometimes, the Romans executed people on a Tau cross, sometimes on a Roman cross and sometimes on a simple stake. The gospels, which were originally written in Greek, use the word "stauros" to refer to the execution structure. (see Mark 15:21, Mark 15:32, Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26, John 19:17). This appears as the word "cross" in all but one of the English versions that we have examined. But in reality, the Greek word usually means a vertical pole without a crossbar. The New World Translation, sponsored by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, translates the word as "torture stake." 8 Hermann Fulda, author of "The Cross and Crucifixion" is commented that:

bullet the description of Jesus' suffering during the last hours of life indicates that he was crucified on a stake rather than a cross.
bullet that some of the writings of the early church fathers confirms the use of a pole.
bullet that the very earliest depictions of Jesus' crucifixion in Christian art show him on a stake.
Acts 5:30 refers to "hanging him on a tree." 1 Peter 2:24 says "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree."

Deuteronomy 21:23 stated that a person hung on a tree was be cursed by God. This verse was a major stumbling block that prevented many Jews from accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

According to author Graydon F. Snyder:

"[Today's]....universal use of the sign of the cross makes more poignant the striking lack of crosses in early Christian remains, especially any specific reference to the event on Golgotha. Most scholars now agree that the cross as an artistic reference to the passion event cannot be found prior to the time of Constantine."
_________

Ref:

7-B.G. Walker, "The Woman's Encyclopaedia" op cit, Page 188-190
8-"Jehovah's Witnesses: What do We Believe: Did Jesus Die on a Cross?" is at: http://www.happinessinthepark.com/
Link
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_symb.htm

Goce Homer MakeDonski · 04-05-2016, 01:24 PM

From Chrestian to Christian

Quote:

The fact that these early papyri make reference to the term "Chrestian" and not "Christian" is essentially noted, but then passed over by many if not most modern academics and scholars...
.."The earliest instance of the term "Christian" in the Greek codices appears in Codex Alexandrinus, which is currently dated to the 5th century, by various methods which are not very secure.

1

"The disciples were originally called Chrestians (not Christians) ... at Antioch"

Codex Alexandrinus

450 CE ?
First Christians!!: The earliest extant Greek New Testament to explicitly contain the name "Christian" is the Codex Alexandrinus dated ca. 450 CE. This is just far too late for "Christian" to begin appearing in manuscripts if it were the original term given to followers of the Nazarene Messiah. The appearance of "Christian" in the Greek text is clearly an anachronism which has been paraded as supporting evidence for the Christian name and faith, both of which are counterfeit. In fact, some lineages of Greek manuscripts (Minuscule 81) were still faithfully copying Chrestian up until 1044 CE. (source)The image here shows Codex Alexandrinus, Acts 11:26, folio 66b
Fragments of Codex Alexandrinus should be C14 dated!!!
It would be appropriate to have fragments of this codex C14 dated in order to determine with greater accuracy when the "Christians" appeared in the manuscript tradition. Evidence already exists that scribes altered the original name of the "Chrestians" to the new name of the "Christians"...

_____________________
Ref:
1-Lincoln H. Blumell " Lettered Christians: Christians, Letters, and Late Antique Oxyrhynchus"2012 , .... p.37-38:
2-At the very beginning of the New Testament Church, we find in Acts 2:47:

Link :

http://www.mountainman.com.au/essene...christians.htm

Goce Homer MakeDonski · 04-05-2016, 01:40 PM

What we do have ?

A Chrestians or Church's members .

What the Church is ?
Was is a building ?

Quote:
The word designates the body of believers of which Jesus Christ is Head
“The Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.” People were added to the New Testament Church—to that group of called-out believers—on a daily basis. People weren’t put in a building. Thus it should be obvious that the biblical term church is describing a group of people and not a building or a cathedral.2
_____________
Ref:
2-At the very beginning of the New Testament Church, we find in Acts 2:47:
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/change/...ch/the-church/

Amphipolis · 04-05-2016, 02:39 PM

Yes, both spellings have been used in antiquity (Christian, Chrestian) and also Chreistian, probably (just as in modern Greek) because both sounded the same and had a (different) yet positive meaning.

https://books.google.gr/books?id=3Tn...%CF%82&f=false

===

Goce Homer MakeDonski · 06-23-2016, 10:39 AM

These are historical references I have to prove for backing up of my Slovo -Jesus Epithet these

"...' Thessalonians are Macedonians [in Christ Jesus], who having accepted the word of truth persevered in the faith even in persecution from their fellow-citizens. Moreover, also, they received not the things said by false Apostles. These the Apostle praises, writing to them from Athens [by Timothy].'.."1
This is from 1911 A.D book where author based his selve at the first cent.A.D. writer Marcion and what is called , his viewpoint on Christianity.

States is that Macedonians first of all accepted Slovo (The Word ) concept and become Slovens or Slavs .Slavs is very first term and it is before term Christ /Christians what appeared to be invented later.
Slovo (The Word )as Jesus Epithet is invited at late 1 cent.A.D.
Christ /Christianity as term is at least around 3 cent.A.D.
From here :
Slovo is religious term
Slovo+ suffix K = SlovoK or suffix en - Sloven "belong to description"
or either belong to the Slovo (Jesus) either describe Slovo (Jesus ) followers .

Sloven is religious concept only and does not represented ethnos or nation ..

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Ref:1- F.C. Burkitt, “The Gospel History & its Transmission ,3rd ed. Ch. 9 "Marcion: Christianity without History" , (London, 1911), page..355-356

link:
http://textualcriticism.scienceonthe...t-Marcion.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Crawford_Burkitt
Note: “Marcion was born about 100 A.D. in Pontus, apparently at the well-known Black Sea port of Sinope, and his life occupies the first sixty years or so of the second century. His father was a Christian ; our authorities tell us that he was ' Bishop ' of the Church there...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goce Homer MakeDonski

Back to the question
What is Slovo ?

To answer this question we need not to forget that all world religion have a man at its focus. Christianity as well .
It is all made for the man .
Heaven, paradise , 10 commandments , Hell ...

So here we go .
Man in our churches is spell as
Chelovek ,
We will make one only letter transformation at this word .
that is ch->S shifting .
Lets see :

Ch e l o v e k

ch->s

S e l o v e k*

S L V K

and here we read :

S Lo V o K

Slovo - K
The Word

04-05-2016, 02:39 PM	#35
Amphipolis Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,328	Yes, both spellings have been used in antiquity (Christian, Chrestian) and also Chreistian, probably (just as in modern Greek) because both sounded the same and had a (different) yet positive meaning. https://books.google.gr/books?id=3Tn...%CF%82&f=false === Last edited by Amphipolis; 04-05-2016 at 02:44 PM.

04-05-2016, 11:29 AM	#31
Goce Homer MakeDonski Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: https://www.facebook.com/dragi.lapeto Posts: 78	"In this sign you will conquer" As legend stated " In hoc signo vinces (in this sign you will conquer)" It become a battlefield symbol but if we pass over the legend we will note that the Constantine's environmental victory happen after he does recognize of Christianity as official religion of his Empire

04-05-2016, 12:58 PM	#32
Goce Homer MakeDonski Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: https://www.facebook.com/dragi.lapeto Posts: 78	The history of the cross symbol in Christianity Early depictions on Jesus usually showed Jesus in the form of a shepherd carrying a lamb. Tertullian (140-230 CE), a Montanist heretic, commented in his essay De Corona: "At every forward step and movement, at every going in and out, when we put on our our clothes and shoes, when we bathe, when we sit at table, when we light the lamps, on couch, on seat, in all the ordinary actions of daily life, we trace upon the forehead the sign." This might be an early reference to individuals tracing the sign of the cross on their body. The use of the cross as a symbol was condemned by at least one church father of the 3rd century CE because of its Pagan origins. The first appearance of a cross in Christian art is on a Vatican sarcophagus from the mid-5th Century. 11 It was a Greek cross with equal-length arms. Jesus' body was not shown. The first crucifixion scenes didn't appear in Christian art until the 7th century CE. The original cross symbol was in the form of a Tau Cross. It was so named because it looked like the letter "tau", or our letter "T". One author speculates that the Church may have copied the symbol from the Pagan Druids who made crosses in this form to represent the Thau (god). 7 They joined two limbs from oak trees. The Tau cross became associated with St. Philip who was allegedly crucified on such a cross in Phrygia. May Day, a major Druidic seasonal day of celebration, became St. Philip's Day. Later in Christian history, the Tau Cross became the Roman Cross that we are familiar with today. The shape of the original crucifixion device is a matter for speculation. Sometimes, the Romans executed people on a Tau cross, sometimes on a Roman cross and sometimes on a simple stake. The gospels, which were originally written in Greek, use the word "stauros" to refer to the execution structure. (see Mark 15:21, Mark 15:32, Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26, John 19:17). This appears as the word "cross" in all but one of the English versions that we have examined. But in reality, the Greek word usually means a vertical pole without a crossbar. The New World Translation, sponsored by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, translates the word as "torture stake." 8 Hermann Fulda, author of "The Cross and Crucifixion" is commented that: bullet the description of Jesus' suffering during the last hours of life indicates that he was crucified on a stake rather than a cross. bullet that some of the writings of the early church fathers confirms the use of a pole. bullet that the very earliest depictions of Jesus' crucifixion in Christian art show him on a stake. Acts 5:30 refers to "hanging him on a tree." 1 Peter 2:24 says "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree." Deuteronomy 21:23 stated that a person hung on a tree was be cursed by God. This verse was a major stumbling block that prevented many Jews from accepting Jesus as the Messiah. According to author Graydon F. Snyder: "[Today's]....universal use of the sign of the cross makes more poignant the striking lack of crosses in early Christian remains, especially any specific reference to the event on Golgotha. Most scholars now agree that the cross as an artistic reference to the passion event cannot be found prior to the time of Constantine." _________ Ref: 7-B.G. Walker, "The Woman's Encyclopaedia" op cit, Page 188-190 8-"Jehovah's Witnesses: What do We Believe: Did Jesus Die on a Cross?" is at: http://www.happinessinthepark.com/ Link http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_symb.htm

04-05-2016, 01:40 PM	#34
Goce Homer MakeDonski Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: https://www.facebook.com/dragi.lapeto Posts: 78	What we do have ? A Chrestians or Church's members . What the Church is ? Was is a building ? Quote: The word designates the body of believers of which Jesus Christ is Head “The Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.” People were added to the New Testament Church—to that group of called-out believers—on a daily basis. People weren’t put in a building. Thus it should be obvious that the biblical term church is describing a group of people and not a building or a cathedral.2 _____________ Ref: 2-At the very beginning of the New Testament Church, we find in Acts 2:47: https://lifehopeandtruth.com/change/...ch/the-church/

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