Related Balkan Tribes - Page 4

Soldier of Macedon · 12-31-2008, 03:33 AM

I think the 'inium' is a Latin suffix, as recorded in Latin sources.

Delodephius · 12-31-2008, 05:55 AM

*wĺ̥kʷos‎

Lith. vilkas, Ltv. vilks, Eng. wulf/wolf, Lat. lupus, Gm. wolf/Wolf, Gk. λύκος (lukos), Arm. գայլ (gayl), Alb. ulk/ujk, Skr. वृक (vṛ́ka), Av. vehrka-, Toch. —/walkwe, Pers. varka/گرگ (gurg, gorg), OPruss. wilkis, Goth. wulfs, ON úlfr, OCS влькъ (vlĭkŭ), Russ. волк (volk), Pol. wilk, Luwian walwa

Soldier of Macedon · 01-01-2009, 01:22 AM

Thanks Slovak, it is indeed an IE word. As far as I am aware today Albanians say 'ujk' for wolf, 'ulk' was in use earlier, and here is something interesting with regard to that point.

In Europe, Balto-Slavic (Lithuanian, Russian, Macedonian, etc) languages are the only ones that use the form VLK with a vowel between the VL and/or LK for the word 'wolf'. While the Greek variant is reasonably close with LYKOS, the Albanian variant is much closer, ULK. Now, it must be surely noticed that the Albanian variant has followed the same sound change as some Illyro-Slavic dialects, namely, the dropping of the L in the word, therefore in Serbian from VOLK to VUK, in Albanian ULK to UJK. In my opinion this Albanian word seems very much a loanword from Slavic. And if it is a loanword from Slavic, then what does that indicate with respect to the Illyrian word OLK(INIUM)?

Just one more thing with regard to the word and the dropping of the letter V, I am not sure if this has any relation to it, but notice how in Macedonian a word for 'uncle' is VUJKO whereas in Serbian it is UJKO, in Russian the word for 'east' is VOSTOK whereas in most South Slavic dialects it is ISTOK? Before the Albanian language took its present form it may very well have had heavy Slavic origins to begin with in its current location.

Demos · 01-01-2009, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

I have heard your sentiments about Chudinov before Slovak, he is the Russian guy that used the same methodology as the 2 Macedonians are at the moment to decipher the Rosetta, is that correct? Could you show us in brief why his methods are flawed, I don't recall the exact arguments from the past, but I would like to re-visit them.

SOM,

The Rosetta Stone has already been deciphered over 100 years ago by a French scientist. Everyone knows what the two Egyptian segments and the Greek one already state.

Sarafot · 01-01-2009, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Demos

SOM,

The Rosetta Stone has already been deciphered over 100 years ago by a French scientist. Everyone knows what the two Egyptian segments and the Greek one already state.

Go home DEMOS,that guy only saied that that is a demotic language!

Demos · 01-01-2009, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarafot

Go home DEMOS,that guy only saied that that is a demotic language!

The second part of the Rosetta Stone is Demotic Egyptian. That's not an opinion, but fact. Not sure what else is there to decipher.

Sarafot · 01-01-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Demos

The second part of the Rosetta Stone is Demotic Egyptian. That's not an opinion, but fact. Not sure what else is there to decipher.

How about Greek lies and negation of Macedonians?

Demos · 01-01-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarafot

How about Greek lies and negation of Macedonians?

Sarafot,

Greeks didn't say that the second part is Demotic Egyptian. 99,9% of the world's linguists and historians are. Feel free to email any history or linguist department of any university in the 1st world and they will tell you what the 2nd part of the Rosetta Stone is. This is just another myth propagated from various circles. The same way the Treaty of Bucharest "expiration date" myth is being propagated by those same circles.

Or if you don't believe me feel free to contact the British Museum in London where the Rosetta Stone is located and they will tell you themselves. Demotic Egyptian is a precursor to Coptic. During ancient times, the people of Egypt could not read Hieroglyphics which were only readable by Egyptian priests. Demotic Egyptian was the language of the average Egyptian. The third paragraph is in Greek of course.

Delodephius · 01-01-2009, 08:41 AM

I agree with Demos.

Sarafot · 01-01-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas

I agree with Demos.

Well i dont!

12-31-2008, 03:33 AM	#31
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	I think the 'inium' is a Latin suffix, as recorded in Latin sources. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

12-31-2008, 05:55 AM	#32
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	wĺ̥kʷos‎ Lith. vilkas, Ltv. vilks, Eng. wulf/wolf, Lat. lupus, Gm. wolf/Wolf, Gk. λύκος (lukos), Arm. գայլ (gayl), Alb. ulk/ujk, Skr. वृक (vṛ́ka), Av. vehrka-, Toch. —/walkwe, Pers. varka/گرگ (gurg, gorg), OPruss. wilkis, Goth. wulfs, ON úlfr, OCS* влькъ (vlĭkŭ), Russ. волк (volk), Pol. wilk, Luwian walwa __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

01-01-2009, 01:22 AM	#33
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Thanks Slovak, it is indeed an IE word. As far as I am aware today Albanians say 'ujk' for wolf, 'ulk' was in use earlier, and here is something interesting with regard to that point. In Europe, Balto-Slavic (Lithuanian, Russian, Macedonian, etc) languages are the only ones that use the form VLK with a vowel between the VL and/or LK for the word 'wolf'. While the Greek variant is reasonably close with LYKOS, the Albanian variant is much closer, ULK. Now, it must be surely noticed that the Albanian variant has followed the same sound change as some Illyro-Slavic dialects, namely, the dropping of the L in the word, therefore in Serbian from VOLK to VUK, in Albanian ULK to UJK. In my opinion this Albanian word seems very much a loanword from Slavic. And if it is a loanword from Slavic, then what does that indicate with respect to the Illyrian word OLK(INIUM)? Just one more thing with regard to the word and the dropping of the letter V, I am not sure if this has any relation to it, but notice how in Macedonian a word for 'uncle' is VUJKO whereas in Serbian it is UJKO, in Russian the word for 'east' is VOSTOK whereas in most South Slavic dialects it is ISTOK? Before the Albanian language took its present form it may very well have had heavy Slavic origins to begin with in its current location. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

01-01-2009, 08:41 AM	#39
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	I agree with Demos. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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