The European Union - the New Soviet Union?

[Sportster]

Originally Posted by Onur

I don't think Greece have a right to say anything about it if you consider that the state of Greece was a creation of great powers and ofc they were peons of them throughout the history. Its an obvious result of that. So they have to obey whatever great powers say. They tried to object this only once during the hey-day of 1960s freedom ideas then USA punished them with CIA supported coup-d`etat of Junta Generals.


Also you are right about EU`s financial support to them. If i remember correctly, Greece took around 220 billion Euro as a free bonus from EU funds for 20 years. I guess 2nd country in the list is Poland with 65 billion EU.

So, in short, Greeks was living in a dream like the "Alice in wonderland". Germans and French taxpayers are bored with the fairy tale of the "Ancient Greece" anymore and they turned off the tap of money.

true, but the last person talking about Generals and running of a country is ...a Turk!

[Onur]

Originally Posted by Spartan

Arent france and germany picking up a piece of the bailout tab?

Yeah but you know, they are doing this probably for the last time even against the will of their taxpayers. Probably for their own "European pride"! and trying to save the tainted image of EU by the situation in Greece.

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by Onur

Yeah

So you admit your initial statement i quoted is wrong in that case.

Originally Posted by Onur

and they turned off the tap of money.

Very good. Thats all.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by Onur

Yeah but you know, they are doing this probably for the last time even against the will of their taxpayers. Probably for their own "European pride"! and trying to save the tainted image of EU by the situation in Greece.

Quote: German Chancellor Angela Merkel's party and its coalition allies have been defeated in regional elections in North Rhine-Westphalia, projections suggest.

If confirmed, this would see Mrs Merkel's national coalition lose its slim majority in the upper house of parliament, the Bundesrat.

The campaign has been overshadowed by the government's decision to contribute to a huge rescue package for Greece.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8670554.stm

Well the Germans have spoken. And so they should.

[Sportster]

I just want back the Gold that the germans took, 75 billion will do just fine.
Then again why do I care...its only gone end up in the same pockets again!!!

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by Sportster

I just want back the Gold that the germans took, 75 billion will do just fine.
Then again why do I care...its only gone end up in the same pockets again!!!

How about Greeks give for a change, rather than recieve all the time.

[Sportster]

Originally Posted by Bill77

How about Greeks give for a change, rather than recieve all the time.

Couldnt agree more. I will be the first one to give our judicical system and policing to the Germans, our resources management to the French, nothing to the English and nothing to the Americans.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Sportster

I just want back the Gold that the germans took, 75 billion will do just fine.
Then again why do I care...its only gone end up in the same pockets again!!!

Exactly, you got that and more back. After everything that Greece has undeservedly received and criminally snatched, you are in no position to ask for anything.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Sportster

I just want back the Gold that the germans took, 75 billion will do just fine.

Did you allow for compensation the Germans gave in 1960?
Did you allow for gold sales by the Office of the Economic Deputy in Greece during the war? Why were they selling to the Nazis anyway?
Did you take into account the following observation:

Originally Posted by Paris Conference on Reparation of 1945

All of what appeared to be monetary gold was pooled, and the ten claimant nations ultimately received approximately 64 per cent of the claim, as the total amount claimed was considerably more than the total amount discovered.

I note the following point from the British archives:
http://www.fco.gov.uk/resources/en/p..._pdf_nazigold1

No preliminary distribution was made to Greece because the amount of the Greek claim was very small.

The Second and Quasi-final Distribution of Gold
Following the finalisation of the Commission’s adjudications, a second,
quasi-final distribution of gold took place. Between 1958 and 1982, a total of about 58,016 kg (worth about US$ 720.5 m at current prices) was distributed to Austria, Belgium, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Yugoslavia, the Netherlands, Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Do you think that if Greece genuinely had a claim on the mysterious gold reserves they would have said this:

Originally Posted by Deputy Prime Minister Theodoros Pangalos of Greece

“I don’t say they have to give back the money necessarily but they have at least to say ‘thanks’,” he said.

Is that an official request? If I was Germany, I would say "thanks" in order to avoid a protracted legal dispute. In distinct contrast, the French are still demanding their gold to be returned and will not settle for a "thank you".

I note Greece is a member of the Nazi gold compensation scheme with a commitment to return all or some of the stolen funds from the Jews. Why would it be committed to returning this money if the Germans stole all of it?

To be honest, either you have now had an education or else you are a victim of your "training" in Greece. Why don't you look into your facts before sounding like a Greek politician?

Keep making stupid demands like this though. It might get pity from someone, somewhere .... somehow. But deep down Greece knows it has milked the cash-cow WAY too much and now it is time to feel some pain. It will be good for Greece.

[Sportster]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Exactly, you got that and more back. After everything that Greece has undeservedly received and criminally snatched, you are in no position to ask for anything.

You make me sound like a real bitch but...someone asked for money recently and got 140billions...now I wouldnt call that "you cant ask for nothing"!