Albanianization in Macedonia

Niko777 · 11-30-2010, 06:58 PM

Look what was happening in Kumanovo this week:

Albanians in Macedonia have way too many rights, and I believe these rights will endanger the sovereignty and unity of Macedonia. Albanian nationalism in Macedonia has been rising since 2001 thanks to that stupid framework agreement. Now every year on November 28 Macedonia celebrates "Albanian National Flag day". WTF. This isn't what our ancestors and the Ilindenci had in mind when they envisioned a Macedonian Republic. I can only blame Macedonian politicians for allowing and fostering an environment suitable for Albanian nationalism to expand.

Let's quickly look at some of the flaws that will cost Macedonia big one day:

- Albanian flag allowed to be flown on Macedonian government municipal buildings, and streets of cities with Albanian minority population.

-Students of Albanian origin are separated from Macedonian students in classes

-Albanian textbooks for the students are flawed, for example, they are not just an Albanian translation of the Macedonian books, they are totally different books in that they focus on Albania and history of the Albanian people (in Albania). I remember seeing an Albanian elementary school book that are used in Macedonia from that Macedonian Ministry website. In it, it showed some children illustrations of kids talking to each other saying something like "Hi, my name is Ismail and I am an Albanian from Kosovo, Hi my name is Habib and I am from Albania, and one from Macedonia, but together we are all Albanians". WTF how will this help Macedonia? Look at the message these children are taught from a young age.

- Albanian students are taught Albanian and English from the first grade, Macedonian is taught from the fourth grade but only as a second language which means that math, history, biology, and all the scientific vocabulary are taught in the Albanian language. How the fu** is this supposed to integrate Albanians into Macedonian society? And why is English being taught before Macedonian?

-Mosques are popping up in Macedonia like weeds. For example in Skopje there are like 30+ mosques and only a few churches, but 75% of Skopje is apparently Christian. This means that mosques are being built solely for political purposes by Albanian groups, sometimes without the appropriate documentation or permits yet the Macedonian government isn't doing anything about it. In fact, it is probably easier to build a mosque than it is to build a church in Macedonia (legally).

-the law that changed municipal borders to make Albanians the majority in places like Struga was a disaster for Macedonia. Why is the government looking after the interests of Albanians before the Macedonians?

-I remember reading a news article a couple of months ago that said out of the 300 newly hired government workers in Maceonia, 99% are Albanians, because of the new law that requires bilingualism in the Albanian language.

-Let's not forget the new "Skenderbeu Square" proposed for the center of Skopje, it was approved by the Macedonian government, and according to the details it will be significantly larger than "Macedonia Square" and it is supposed to be the new meeting place for the city.

-Albanians in the Macedonian government are every week in Albania or Kosovo collaborating with Albanian politicians and signing agreements.

-I could go on and on.

I guess what I am trying to say is that after the Republic of Macedonia won independence in 1991, you would have expected a process of Macedonianization to take place in the country. Just look at the policies in Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, and Serbia. But this is not happening in Macedonia, instead I get the feeling that Macedonia as a state is working in favor of the Albanian people, instead of the Macedonian population (Albanianization).

Bill77 · 11-30-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Niko777

Albanians in Macedonia have way too many rights, and I believe these rights will endanger the sovereignty and unity of Macedonia. Albanian nationalism in Macedonia has been rising since 2001 thanks to that stupid framework agreement. Now every year on November 28 Macedonia celebrates "Albanian National Flag day". WTF. This isn't what our ancestors and the Ilindenci had in mind when they envisioned a Macedonian Republic. I can only blame Macedonian politicians for allowing and fostering an environment suitable for Albanian nationalism to expand.

Thats the easy way out blaming the government and frankly, i am getting sick of Macedonians around the world not taking full responsibility of what's happening to Macedonia.
Its clearly the Macedonian citizens and Diaspora's fault for everything.

By the way, Where are those Kumanovski pitchki that were throwing the eggs on our statues a few days ago?

Niko777 · 11-30-2010, 07:16 PM

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Thats the easy way out blaming the government and frankly, i am getting sick of Macedonians around the world not taking full responsibility of what's happening to Macedonia.
Its clearly the Macedonian citizens and Diaspora's fault for everything.

By the way, Where are those Kumanovski pitchki that were throwing the eggs on our statues a few days ago?

Yes of course Macedonian citizens are also to blame!

Niko777 · 11-30-2010, 07:18 PM

I urge everyone here to take a look at the Macedonian school book for 4th graders for students of Albanian origin:

http://issuu.com/e-ucebnici/docs/gju...owFlipBtn=true

On the top bar type in page 133 (out of 152 pages). Students are taught the national anthem of the Republic of Albania and the history of it!!!! In the 4th grade! They are NOT taught the Macedonian anthem!!!

Niko777 · 11-30-2010, 07:29 PM

Take a look at this book, the Albanian language for the 6th grade.

http://issuu.com/e-ucebnici/docs/alb...owFlipBtn=true

Look at page 5, there is a map of a GREATER ALBANIA! In a Macedonian government published school book! Shame!

Risto the Great · 11-30-2010, 07:59 PM

Niko777, thank you for depressing the hell out of me.

Vangelovski · 11-30-2010, 08:39 PM

Niko777,

Thanks for the links to the textbooks. This is the Framework Agreement in action. This is what Gruevski has implemented and this is what the UMD puppets support.

Vangelovski · 11-30-2010, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niko777

Take a look at this book, the Albanian language for the 6th grade.

http://issuu.com/e-ucebnici/docs/alb...owFlipBtn=true

Look at page 5, there is a map of a GREATER ALBANIA! In a Macedonian government published school book! Shame!

The 'language tree' on p. 3 does not even include Macedonian.

indigen · 11-30-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill77

Thats the easy way out blaming the government and frankly, i am getting sick of Macedonians around the world not taking full responsibility of what's happening to Macedonia.
Its clearly the Macedonian citizens and Diaspora's fault for everything.

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indigen · 11-30-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Niko777, thank you for depressing the hell out of me.

Yes, mate, MACEDONIAN REALITY IS DEPRESSING but it is better to know the BITTER TRUTH than to live in a DELUSIONAL WORLD where MACEDONIA IS JUST GREAT AND THAT WE ARE WINNING IN EVERY LEVEL!

Also, it is good to have Niko777 come on the MTO and preach REALITY politics rather than delusional and diversionary politics of how Gruevski and "UMD" are going to win the day for the Macedonian Cause.

11-30-2010, 06:58 PM	#1
Niko777 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,895	Albanianization and Islamization in Macedonia Look what was happening in Kumanovo this week: Albanians in Macedonia have way too many rights, and I believe these rights will endanger the sovereignty and unity of Macedonia. Albanian nationalism in Macedonia has been rising since 2001 thanks to that stupid framework agreement. Now every year on November 28 Macedonia celebrates "Albanian National Flag day". WTF. This isn't what our ancestors and the Ilindenci had in mind when they envisioned a Macedonian Republic. I can only blame Macedonian politicians for allowing and fostering an environment suitable for Albanian nationalism to expand. Let's quickly look at some of the flaws that will cost Macedonia big one day: - Albanian flag allowed to be flown on Macedonian government municipal buildings, and streets of cities with Albanian minority population. -Students of Albanian origin are separated from Macedonian students in classes -Albanian textbooks for the students are flawed, for example, they are not just an Albanian translation of the Macedonian books, they are totally different books in that they focus on Albania and history of the Albanian people (in Albania). I remember seeing an Albanian elementary school book that are used in Macedonia from that Macedonian Ministry website. In it, it showed some children illustrations of kids talking to each other saying something like "Hi, my name is Ismail and I am an Albanian from Kosovo, Hi my name is Habib and I am from Albania, and one from Macedonia, but together we are all Albanians". WTF how will this help Macedonia? Look at the message these children are taught from a young age. - Albanian students are taught Albanian and English from the first grade, Macedonian is taught from the fourth grade but only as a second language which means that math, history, biology, and all the scientific vocabulary are taught in the Albanian language. How the fu** is this supposed to integrate Albanians into Macedonian society? And why is English being taught before Macedonian? -Mosques are popping up in Macedonia like weeds. For example in Skopje there are like 30+ mosques and only a few churches, but 75% of Skopje is apparently Christian. This means that mosques are being built solely for political purposes by Albanian groups, sometimes without the appropriate documentation or permits yet the Macedonian government isn't doing anything about it. In fact, it is probably easier to build a mosque than it is to build a church in Macedonia (legally). -the law that changed municipal borders to make Albanians the majority in places like Struga was a disaster for Macedonia. Why is the government looking after the interests of Albanians before the Macedonians? -I remember reading a news article a couple of months ago that said out of the 300 newly hired government workers in Maceonia, 99% are Albanians, because of the new law that requires bilingualism in the Albanian language. -Let's not forget the new "Skenderbeu Square" proposed for the center of Skopje, it was approved by the Macedonian government, and according to the details it will be significantly larger than "Macedonia Square" and it is supposed to be the new meeting place for the city. -Albanians in the Macedonian government are every week in Albania or Kosovo collaborating with Albanian politicians and signing agreements. -I could go on and on. I guess what I am trying to say is that after the Republic of Macedonia won independence in 1991, you would have expected a process of Macedonianization to take place in the country. Just look at the policies in Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, and Serbia. But this is not happening in Macedonia, instead I get the feeling that Macedonia as a state is working in favor of the Albanian people, instead of the Macedonian population (Albanianization). Last edited by Niko777; 04-18-2012 at 05:17 PM.

11-30-2010, 07:18 PM	#4
Niko777 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,895	I urge everyone here to take a look at the Macedonian school book for 4th graders for students of Albanian origin: http://issuu.com/e-ucebnici/docs/gju...owFlipBtn=true On the top bar type in page 133 (out of 152 pages). Students are taught the national anthem of the Republic of Albania and the history of it!!!! In the 4th grade! They are NOT taught the Macedonian anthem!!! Last edited by Niko777; 03-04-2011 at 09:11 PM.

11-30-2010, 07:29 PM	#5
Niko777 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,895	Take a look at this book, the Albanian language for the 6th grade. http://issuu.com/e-ucebnici/docs/alb...owFlipBtn=true Look at page 5, there is a map of a GREATER ALBANIA! In a Macedonian government published school book! Shame! Last edited by Niko777; 03-04-2011 at 09:11 PM.

11-30-2010, 07:59 PM	#6
Risto the Great Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia Posts: 15,639	Niko777, thank you for depressing the hell out of me. __________________ Risto the Great MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA "Holding my breath for the revolution." Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

11-30-2010, 08:39 PM	#7
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,520	Niko777, Thanks for the links to the textbooks. This is the Framework Agreement in action. This is what Gruevski has implemented and this is what the UMD puppets support. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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