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Old 06-14-2020, 10:26 PM   #251
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Thanks Carlin, I was finally able to access it.

Interesting, but the reference after the paragraph doesn't lead to a source. Unless I missed something? I can't find anything else online about this supposed event.
The reference after the paragraph, which is #38, can be found on page 77 unless I'm mistaken.

#38 on page 77 states: Hr. Gandev, cit. delo, 87.

The full reference/book can be found in the "Literature" portion at the end of the book on page 208: Gandev Hr., Faktori na b'lgarskoto v'zrazhdane, Sofia 1943.


I was able to find this online on a Bulgarian website.

Христо Гандев, „Фактори на Българското възраждане“, Печатница „Култура“, 1943:
http://macedonia.kroraina.com/hgfbv/index.htm

And here is the link to the same book but in pdf format:
http://macedonia.kroraina.com/hgfbv/...hdane_1943.pdf

Going directly to page 87, which Tashkovski referenced we see the following:


(It seems that Tashkovski has made an slight omission on page 62, as the full name of this church community was "Greek-eastern Greek and Macedonian Church Community.")

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Old 06-15-2020, 12:36 AM   #252
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The reference after the paragraph, which is #38, can be found on page 77 unless I'm mistaken.
Thanks Carlin. Interesting how, despite the reference to Bulgarians, the people pushed for the community to be called Macedonian instead. It appears to suggest that the majority of the non-Greek merchants were from Macedonia and that a conscious distinction between Macedonia and Bulgaria existed among them. Otherwise, why bother calling it Macedonian when they could be 'all-inclusive' and call it Bulgarian instead? I think it can be argued that this is another example of the generic nature of the Bulgarian "identity" during the Ottoman period, which was used and manipulated, shortly afterwards, to spread Bulgarian propaganda in Macedonia.
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Old 06-15-2020, 02:00 AM   #253
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The number of Greeks and Vlachs settled in Hungary was very large and was estimated at 10,000 souls in the second half of the 18th century. The vast majority of them came from Macedonia and the Albanian territories, while fewer came from Epirus, Thessaly and Thrace. The main cities of origin of the Greek and Vlach merchants were: Moschopolis - it is noteworthy that the Greeks and Vlachs of the Miscolc Company came almost exclusively from Moschopolis - Kozani, Siatista, Serbia, Doiraneli, Moitsa, Vogatsiko Mele, , Kleisoura, Naoussa etc. Indicative elements of the numerical strength of the various Hungarian companies are given in the table below, which records the number of independent Orthodox merchants in Hungary based on the census of 1754. If to them are added the members of the merchant families and the auxiliary staff of the merchants. It is understood that the total number of members of the Company was much larger.

Of particular interest are the relations of the Orthodox merchants - Greeks, Vlachs and Serbs - both with each other and with the indigenous Hungarian populations. The testimonies we have reveal constant and growing conflicts and disagreements between the Greeks and the Serbs of Hungary, regarding the use and operation of the Orthodox churches and schools of the various companies. The language and the time in which the service for Greeks and Serbs would be held, as well as the type and orientation of education provided by the schools of the Companions, often brought Greeks and Serbs face to face, resulting in some Orthodox Communities - such as In 1788, the separation of Greeks and Serbs took place, while in others it did not. Similar were the disputes between Greeks and Vlachs in the various companies of Hungary, with a particularly typical example being that of the Orthodox Community of Pest, at the end of the 18th century, regarding the operation of the Orthodox Church of the Community. However, the disputes between Greeks and Vlachs did not in any way result in their separation from each other, but, on the contrary, the Vlachs were consistently an important component of the Hungarian Orthodox Communities.

On the other hand, the relations of the Orthodox Balkan merchants with the indigenous peoples of Hungary have not always been harmonious. The locals of the Hungarian cities were annoyed by the extensive trade activities of the Orthodox, while the Ottoman citizenship of most of them raised the suspicion that they were spying for the benefit of the Turks, along with the fear of transporting epidemics from the Balkans. As a result, city councils often took restrictive measures against Orthodox merchants and made it difficult for them to settle and stay in Hungarian territory. However, Greek and Vlach merchants managed to impose themselves and overcome the difficulties of settling in a large number of Hungarian cities, climbing many of them into the political and social hierarchy, gaining titles of nobility and considerable power (eg the Sinai family, George Taikatzis). Nikolaos Armenoulis et al.). They thus formed the country's prosperous bourgeoisie, which introduced the principles of the capitalist economy into the essentially rural Hungarian economy.
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What have you translated this from and what sources are used to corrobate the information? Was there a point you were trying to make?
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What have you translated this from and what sources are used to corrobate the information? Was there a point you were trying to make?
Its a greek dialectic.
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1) "In their proclamations, the leaders of the Slavo-Macedonian committee appeal to Alexander the Great as a national hero".

George F. Abbott - The tale of a tour in Macedonia, 1903 - page 278



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An inscription to a book wrriten in Cyrillic by Hriste Haji Konstantinovic, a teacher from the Macedonian town Prilep. This was wrriten in 1824.

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An inscription to a book wrriten in Cyrillic by Hriste Haji Konstantinovic, a teacher from the Macedonian town Prilep. This was wrriten in 1824.
Will someone rewrite the image in Modern Macedonian Cyrillic Script to help me understand the pronunciation of those letters that are no longer in use please?
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Will someone rewrite the image in Modern Macedonian Cyrillic Script to help me understand the pronunciation of those letters that are no longer in use please?
Well for starters I believe this text is written in Church Slavonic, so it may serve better to have it completely translated.
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will someone rewrite the image in modern macedonian cyrillic script to help me understand the pronunciation of those letters that are no longer in use please?
Hi Dove, see below:
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Сија книга глаголемаја посланија писа Христе Хаџи Констанинович учител прилепски иже от граде Прилепе Македонстем.
Rough translation would be "the words in this book were written by Hriste Hadzhi Konstantinovich, a Prilep teacher who is from the Macedonian city of Prilep". What is interesting about this text, aside from the Macedonian reference from almost two centuries ago, is that it appears to utilise the letter Џ, which wasn't common. The following link states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_alphabet
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The letter Џ (representing the phoneme /dʒ/) was likely adopted from the Serbian alphabet and used by Gjorgjija Pulevski in four of his works, as well as by the Secret Macedonian Committee and Dimitar Mirčev.
I don't have the works of either Pulevski or Mirčev on hand right now to confirm the quoted sentence, but Vuk Karadzic standardised the Serbian alphabet in 1818, only 6 years prior to this text. Is it likely that the teacher from Prilep took this letter from the Serbian alphabet when Serbian influence in Macedonia was insignificant and when the rest of the text uses old Cyrillic letters? Doubtful. The Abkhaz alphabet also has the letter Џ, as did Romanian prior to shifting over to Latin. The following link states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhe
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The letter Dzhe was first used in the 15th-century Romanian Cyrillic alphabet, as a modified form of the letter ч. Serbian scribes began using it in the 17th century. Vuk Karadžić included it in his Cyrillic script reform, when the letter entered widespread use.
Perhaps the teacher from Prilep was exposed to church literature from Romania.
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