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Old 01-26-2019, 03:49 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Amphipolis View Post
Part of the Greek propaganda may seem funny now as it would be summarized in phrases like “You can’t be Bulgarians. You’re glorious Macedonians, descendants of Alexander the Great”. Even some of the most bizarre sides of modern “antiquization” propaganda can be found done by… Greek propagandists of late 1800s, early 1900s (we have relevant threads, e.g. tracing Homeric remnants in Slavic dialects).
I much prefer the English, French and German propaganda that said that ragtag collection of Albanians, Turks, Gypsies and Vlachs were the true flag bearers and descendants of the great Hellenes. So laughable given they had to learn the language of the ancients first. And now they use ancient names as though they have been in the family for millenniums.

No need to look at Metxas's memoirs, here is a current Greek politician's memoir:
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During the heated debate on the ratification of the deal to rename Macedonia, Nikos Filis from the Greek ruling SYRIZA party said that when Greece first captured this region in 1912, it was majority ethnic Macedonian and was ethnically cleansed throughout the decades to make it Greek. Filis, who is known for his outspoken views and for poking holes in the Greek nation building myth, was responding to nationalist protesters in front of the Parliament building who were chanting “Macedonia is one and it is Greek”.

Macedonia is not one and Greek. There are several Macedonias. The other Macedonia is defined with the Bucharest treaty which bears our, Greek signature. When we hear the chant “Macedonia is one and it is Greek” it is seen as irredentism, as disrespect for the international treaties by our country. Maybe it doesn’t sound too good but it is the truth. Greek Macedonia is Greek, and let me clarify, it was MADE Greek, because until 1912/1913 and 1921/1922, when the refugees came, there was no Greek majority in Macedonia – only in some regions in the south. So it was made Greek by a population exchange and through all the difficult events we and the other peoples from the region went through. So who are we kidding when we say “Macedonia is one and it is Greek?” Only ourselves, Filis said.

Greece captured about a half of the region of Macedonia in 1912, when fighting the Ottomans and kept it through the Second Balkan War in 1913, and many Macedonians were expelled in the process and afterwards. After its defeat to Turkey in 1921, hundreds of thousands of Greek refugees were settled in this part of Macedonia, dramatically changing its ethnic make-up, along with decades of bans on the use of the Macedonian language for the remaining Macedonians.
If the former Turk nationals weren't there, they would still be begging Macedonians to pretend to be Greeks. But now the former Turkish nationals are the "Macedonians" .... makes me want to choke on my baklava and Turkish coffee.

Funny how this slut calls herself Amphipolis now. An Athenian settlement in Macedonia. Just like the former Turks in Macedonia nowadays. I bet the citizens of Amphipolis didn't call themselves Macedonian until long after Philip handed them their arses.

But as we know with modern Greeks, "if you can't beat them, be them."
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