Sumerians,Planet X and the End of the World 2012

[Toska]

Lately i have been reading into the Sumerians a ancient civilization which where based in current Iraq over 6000 years ago, the thing that strikes my interest the most is their obsession with the planet Nibiru or Planet X (nibiru meaning the planet of the crossing), they called it Nibiru because of its 3600 year cycle around the sun and then crossing thru the Asteroid Belt, which the sumerians say was once a planet that Nibiru collided with and destroyed it, Nibiru is the reason, why the Dinosaurs where extint, why we had an ice age, why we had the great flood, when this planet comes within earths range it, changes earths poles and causes mass destruction on the planet, could this be why the mayans ended their calender 2012 because this is when Nibiru comes in contact with earth, cause they were all aware of this planet. The Sumerians beleived that people inhabitated the planet and visited earth and they are the ones that constructed all of earths megalithic structures, for example

YouTube - ‪Wonders of the world, Puma Punku - Cosmic Wakening‬‎

watch this video about puma punku and tell me man made this.

[Toska]

nibiru cut out of Google Sky

YouTube - ‪Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy‬‎

[Phoenix]

"Planetary scientists are being driven to distraction by Nibiru," notes science writer Govert Schilling, "And it is not surprising; you devote so much time, energy and creativity to fascinating scientific research, and find yourself on the tracks of the most amazing and interesting things, and all the public at large is concerned about is some crackpot theory about clay tablets, god-astronauts and a planet that doesn't exist."

Govert Schilling. The Hunt For Planet X: New Worlds and the Fate of Pluto. Copernicus Books. p. 111.

[fyrOM]

Toska I enjoy these topics and noticed them popping up in the forum and good posts get left in different threads.

I am not trying to rain on your parade but I started the thread UFOs and Stuff so people who enjoy these types of topics could have fun without proliferating the forum as the topics really do not have anything to do with Macedonia but then again who says we cant also have fun. I chose that name as being easy to remember and being kind of all encompassing.

While we are on the topic of consolidating threads I propose we use Daskalots thread Invisible Empire for conspiracy type topics. I think this way people who enjoy these non Macedonia topics have a place to go without proliferating the forum and diverting from the overall feel of the forum.

Its not my forum and im not setting any rules only suggesting we could keep topics that are left of centre in their own little place.

[Toska]

i thought this topic on its own would gain alot of interest, thats why i created its own topic,



a tablet found in iran which depicts our solar system, which has the sun in the middle, where as this was only discovered 300 years ago, they knew about it 6000 years ago.

[Toska]

YouTube - ‪Ancient Sumerians and Planet X Nibiru‬‎

[Onur]

We all have been educated with only one type of concept about development of humanity. As soon as we discover something which doesn't fits in our conception, some people tend to connect all of these with UFOs and Aliens.

I believe that the far ancient societies would have been developed further advanced than we thought. Maybe 4000 years ago people knew the advanced math, physics, earth and other planets in space but somehow, when these societies disappeared, most of their knowledge vanished with them too.


For example, in our standard knowledge of evolution and development of humans, we didn't have any conception of god or religion before the neolithic age, before we learned farming(i guess it was ~9000BC).

But few years ago, archeologists discovered a temple with giant monoliths up to 5mt high and weights as much as 10tons in southeastern Turkey. It changed our conception of evolution because of it`s construction date, which is 9.500BC, 11.500 years earlier from today. I remember that it was all around the news for weeks here. I found some articles of it in google, check it out;

History in the Remaking

A temple complex in Turkey that predates even the pyramids is rewriting the story of human evolution.

They call it potbelly hill, after the soft, round contour of this final lookout in southeastern Turkey. To the north are forested mountains. East of the hill lies the biblical plain of Harran, and to the south is the Syrian border, visible 20 miles away, pointing toward the ancient lands of Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent, the region that gave rise to human civilization. And under our feet, according to archeologist Klaus Schmidt, are the stones that mark the spot—the exact spot—where humans began that ascent.

Standing on the hill at dawn, overseeing a team of 40 Kurdish diggers, the German-born archeologist waves a hand over his discovery here, a revolution in the story of human origins. Schmidt has uncovered a vast and beautiful temple complex, a structure so ancient that it may be the very first thing human beings ever built. The site isn't just old, it redefines old: the temple was built 11,500 years ago—a staggering 7,000 years before the Great Pyramid, and more than 6,000 years before Stonehenge first took shape. The ruins are so early that they predate villages, pottery, domesticated animals, and even agriculture—the first embers of civilization. In fact, Schmidt thinks the temple itself, built after the end of the last Ice Age by hunter-gatherers, became that ember—the spark that launched mankind toward farming, urban life, and all that followed.










Göbekli Tepe—the name in Turkish for "potbelly hill"—lays art and religion squarely at the start of that journey. After a dozen years of patient work, Schmidt has uncovered what he thinks is definitive proof that a huge ceremonial site flourished here, a "Rome of the Ice Age," as he puts it, where hunter-gatherers met to build a complex religious community. Across the hill, he has found carved and polished circles of stone, with terrazzo flooring and double benches. All the circles feature massive T-shaped pillars that evoke the monoliths of Easter Island.












Though not as large as Stonehenge—the biggest circle is 30 yards across, the tallest pillars 17 feet high—the ruins are astonishing in number. Last year Schmidt found his third and fourth examples of the temples. Ground-penetrating radar indicates that another 15 to 20 such monumental ruins lie under the surface. Schmidt's German-Turkish team has also uncovered some 50 of the huge pillars, including two found in his most recent dig season that are not just the biggest yet, but, according to carbon dating, are the oldest monumental artworks in the world.





The new discoveries are finally beginning to reshape the slow-moving consensus of archeology. Göbekli Tepe is "unbelievably big and amazing, at a ridiculously early date," according to Ian Hodder, director of Stanford's archeology program. Enthusing over the "huge great stones and fantastic, highly refined art" at Göbekli, Hodder—who has spent decades on rival Neolithic sites—says: "Many people think that it changes everything…It overturns the whole apple cart. All our theories were wrong."

Schmidt's thesis is simple and bold: it was the urge to worship that brought mankind together in the very first urban conglomerations. The need to build and maintain this temple, he says, drove the builders to seek stable food sources, like grains and animals that could be domesticated, and then to settle down to guard their new way of life. The temple begat the city.

This theory reverses a standard chronology of human origins, in which primitive man went through a "Neolithic revolution" 10,000 to 12,000 years ago. In the old model, shepherds and farmers appeared first, and then created pottery, villages, cities, specialized labor, kings, writing, art, and—somewhere on the way to the airplane—organized religion. As far back as Jean-Jacques Rousseau, thinkers have argued that the social compact of cities came first, and only then the "high" religions with their great temples, a paradigm still taught in American high schools.

Religion now appears so early in civilized life—earlier than civilized life, if Schmidt is correct—that some think it may be less a product of culture than a cause of it, less a revelation than a genetic inheritance. The archeologist Jacques Cauvin once posited that "the beginning of the gods was the beginning of agriculture," and Göbekli may prove his case.

The builders of Göbekli Tepe could not write or leave other explanations of their work. Schmidt speculates that nomadic bands from hundreds of miles in every direction were already gathering here for rituals, feasting, and initiation rites before the first stones were cut. The religious purpose of the site is implicit in its size and location. "You don't move 10-ton stones for no reason," Schmidt observes. "Temples like to be on high sites," he adds, waving an arm over the stony, round hilltop. "Sanctuaries like to be away from the mundane world."

Unlike most discoveries from the ancient world, Göbekli Tepe was found intact, the stones upright, the order and artistry of the work plain even to the un-trained eye. Most startling is the elaborate carving found on about half of the 50 pillars Schmidt has unearthed. There are a few abstract symbols, but the site is almost covered in graceful, naturalistic sculptures and bas-reliefs of the animals that were central to the imagination of hunter-gatherers. Wild boar and cattle are depicted, along with totems of power and intelligence, like lions, foxes, and leopards. Many of the biggest pillars are carved with arms, including shoulders, elbows, and jointed fingers. The T shapes appear to be towering humanoids but have no faces, hinting at the worship of ancestors or humanlike deities. "In the Bible it talks about how God created man in his image," says Johns Hopkins archeologist Glenn Schwartz. Göbekli Tepe "is the first time you can see humans with that idea, that they resemble gods."

The temples thus offer unexpected proof that mankind emerged from the 140,000-year reign of hunter-gatherers with a ready vocabulary of spiritual imagery, and capable of huge logistical, economic, and political efforts. A Catholic born in Franconia, Germany, Schmidt wanders the site in a white turban, pointing out the evidence of that transition. "The people here invented agriculture. They were the inventors of cultivated plants, of domestic architecture," he says.

Göbekli sits at the Fertile Crescent's northernmost tip, a productive borderland on the shoulder of forests and within sight of plains. The hill was ideally situated for ancient hunters. Wild gazelles still migrate past twice a year as they did 11 millennia ago, and birds fly overhead in long skeins. Genetic mapping shows that the first domestication of wheat was in this immediate area—perhaps at a mountain visible in the distance—a few centuries after Göbekli's founding. Animal husbandry also began near here—the first domesticated pigs came from the surrounding area in about 8000 B.C., and cattle were domesticated in Turkey before 6500 B.C. Pottery followed. Those discoveries then flowed out to places like Çatalhöyük, the oldest-known Neolithic village, which is 300 miles to the west.

The artists of Göbekli Tepe depicted swarms of what Schmidt calls "scary, nasty" creatures: spiders, scorpions, snakes, triple-fanged monsters, and, most common of all, carrion birds. The single largest carving shows a vulture poised over a headless human. Schmidt theorizes that human corpses were ex-posed here on the hilltop for consumption by birds—what a Tibetan would call a sky burial. Sifting the tons of dirt removed from the site has produced very few human bones, however, perhaps because they were removed to distant homes for ancestor worship. Absence is the source of Schmidt's great theoretical claim. "There are no traces of daily life," he explains. "No fire pits. No trash heaps. There is no water here." Everything from food to flint had to be imported, so the site "was not a village," Schmidt says. Since the temples predate any known settlement anywhere, Schmidt concludes that man's first house was a house of worship: "First the temple, then the city," he insists.






Whatever mysterious rituals were conducted in the temples, they ended abruptly before 8000 B.C., when the entire site was buried, deliberately and all at once, Schmidt believes. The temples had been in decline for a thousand years—later circles are less than half the size of the early ones, indicating a lack of resources or motivation among the worshipers. This "clear digression" followed by a sudden burial marks "the end of a very strange culture," Schmidt says. But it was also the birth of a new, settled civilization, humanity having now exchanged the hilltops of hunters for the valleys of farmers and shepherds. New ways of life demand new religious practices, Schmidt suggests, and "when you have new gods, you have to get rid of the old ones."


a panoramic reconstruction of the temple in Göbekli tepe at ~9500BC:




http://www.newsweek.com/2010/02/18/h...-remaking.html

[Dimko-piperkata]

never shown signs in cornfields...amazing
YouTube - ‪ALIENS MAKE CROP CIRCLES, BEST EVIDENCE EVER - Cosmic Wakening‬‎

[Serdarot]

Puma Punku is on other continent, has nothing to do with the Summerians.

It is stupid to believe primitive unalphabet "indians" made that, but also its stupid to say "man did not made that"

Ok , than woman made that.
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Also the complete Summerian and Zacharia Sitchin cirkus, is just another myth, like the "greek" myth. (and beside that, it is one of the main weapons of the world elite, the same world elite that splited Macedonia and coused the Balkan and the World wars. so i say screw them and their myths)

"the first civilization", drn drn, bla bla...

they probably knew about the solar system 5 or 6 000 years ago, and in Africa or Australia or Macedonia people maybe knew it 60 000 years ago.

Without solid proove, all "i am first" are just pathetic as the modern greek myth

There is solid proove that big disaster occured / happened, several thousand years ago.

We have no idea what was before that.

We see stones heavy several thousand tons, and our "scientist" are trying to convince YOU that primitive people cuted, carved, transported them.

@ Onur: 10 tons is not some realy big weight. And Catal Hayuk is also not fiting in the "official" history lineage

[Onur]

Also the complete Summerian and Zacharia Sitchin cirkus, is just another myth, like the "greek" myth. (and beside that, it is one of the main weapons of the world elite, the same world elite that splited Macedonia and coused the Balkan and the World wars. so i say screw them and their myths)

"the first civilization", drn drn, bla bla...

they probably knew about the solar system 5 or 6 000 years ago, and in Africa or Australia or Macedonia people maybe knew it 60 000 years ago.

Without solid proove, all "i am first" are just pathetic as the modern greek myth

There is solid proove that big disaster occured / happened, several thousand years ago.

We have no idea what was before that.

We see stones heavy several thousand tons, and our "scientist" are trying to convince YOU that primitive people cuted, carved, transported them.

Sumerians was really an advanced society but i agree that it`s wrong to connect these ancient issues with one of today`s nation without having any proper proof like the case with Greeks.

For example, i did a youtube search for Gobekli Tepe and found some videos. The comments on it was so stupid like; "Kurds have 11.000 year old history, Kurds did these temple" or "These people were definitely Armenians. Gobekli Tepe is in Armenia, not in Turkey. They occupied it".

Since the invention of the connection between ancient and modern Greeks, some people are dying to connect themselves with any ancient society possible. It`s a phenomenon of the century.

@ Onur: 10 tons is not some realy big weight. And Catal Hayuk is also not fiting in the "official" history lineage

I read in one of the articles that it possibly requires at least 500 people to move a stone with 10 tons of weight. Yes, it`s possible but it actually proves that even the hunters of 11.000 years ago wasn't as primitive as cavemen and they were able to communicate and do some stuff together.

Also, yes, Catal Hoyuk doesn't fit the official human history either but Gobekli Tepe site is 1500 year older than Catal Hoyuk findings.

[Serdarot]

no comment, just pictures







we can not make this today. we simply can not, we dont have the technology to cut or move such blocks.

[Blagojce]

Why are most of these sightings and crop circles in the US? Why dont we have similar occurrences in Macedonia, the Balkans, central Africa ?