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Liberator of Makedonija 08-14-2018 12:21 AM

The Story of Ted Yannas
 
Felt this deserved its own dedicated thread. It's the story of Ted Yannas, a Macedonian from Lerin who migrated to Melbourne and had to face an identity crisis and a conflict of ideology in his community.

Liberator of Makedonija 08-14-2018 12:25 AM

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Karposh 08-14-2018 08:31 AM

If anyone on this forum has any real insight with regard to Aegean Macedonian villages, I'd be really interested to know if Kladorabi has always been a Grkoman village or whether this village is symptomatic of a much broader cross section of Macedonian villages who share these types of pro-Greek attitudes. I don't mean to sound naive and I know circumstances have forced these pro-Greek attitudes on people but I also know that there are many villages who do not share these attitudes. And, there are still others which are slowly waking up from their Greek stupor they have found themselves in, as the main character from this thread's narrative, Ted, managed to do. The reason I ask is that the odds don't look good if we take Kladorabi as a typical example of attitudes among Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia. One or two people out of a whole village who are not afraid to announce that they are in fact Macedonians don't seem like good odds at all.

Liberator of Makedonija 08-14-2018 08:34 AM

[QUOTE=Karposh;175742]If anyone on this forum has any real insight with regard to Aegean Macedonian villages, I'd be really interested to know if Kladorabi has always been a Grkoman village or whether this village is symptomatic of a much broader cross section of Macedonian villages who share these types of pro-Greek attitudes. I don't mean to sound naive and I know circumstances have forced these pro-Greek attitudes on people but I also know that there are many villages who do not share these attitudes. And, there are still others which are slowly waking up from their Greek stupor they have found themselves in, as the main character from this thread's narrative, Ted, managed to do. The reason I ask is that the odds don't look good if we take Kladorabi as a typical example of attitudes among Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia. One or two people out of a whole village who are not afraid to announce that they are in fact Macedonians don't seem like good odds at all.[/QUOTE]


I should have noted that names and birthplaces were altered for the protection of privacy, so "Jim Yannas" isn't actually from Kladorabi.

In saying that, there are some Pro-Greek villages in Lerinsko of course but many that aren't, it's a complex scenario.

Bill77 08-15-2018 02:27 AM

[QUOTE=Karposh;175742]If anyone on this forum has any real insight with regard to Aegean Macedonian villages, I'd be really interested to know if Kladorabi has always been a Grkoman village or whether this village is symptomatic of a much broader cross section of Macedonian villages who share these types of pro-Greek attitudes. I don't mean to sound naive and I know circumstances have forced these pro-Greek attitudes on people but I also know that there are many villages who do not share these attitudes. And, there are still others which are slowly waking up from their Greek stupor they have found themselves in, as the main character from this thread's narrative, Ted, managed to do. The reason I ask is that the odds don't look good if we take Kladorabi as a typical example of attitudes among Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia. One or two people out of a whole village who are not afraid to announce that they are in fact Macedonians don't seem like good odds at all.[/QUOTE] Look at my avatar

Thats a dedo of mine who was born, lived and died in Kladorabi. he was only 17, a Pro Macedonian independence partizan during the civil war when captured (lured into a trap) by the fascist Greek army. He had his head cut off and then his torso dragged by a rope tied to a horse through his village Kladorabi, in order to send fear through the population in that village. An auntie of his lunged at his torso with a blanket covering him to give him some dignity. Which is when a general dragged her off and inspected the body which his head was also alongside him. After realizing how young he was, He then started laughing and mocked him as he yelled to the rest of the villagers who gathered around the center "Are these the types we fear that will take Macedonia away from us?" This tells me at that time, Kladorabi was pro Macedonian. During a visit to that village around 10 years ago, i spent a couple of nights there and sensed nothing but Macedonian.

Amphipolis 08-15-2018 03:16 AM

This is Lithoxoou's synopsis of sources for Kladorahi (automatic translation)

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Risto the Great 08-15-2018 04:40 AM

[QUOTE=Bill77;175756]Look at my avatar

Thats a dedo of mine who was born, lived and died in Kladorabi. he was only 17, a Pro Macedonian independence partizan during the civil war when captured (lured into a trap) by the fascist Greek army. He had his head cut off and then his torso dragged by a rope tied to a horse through his village Kladorabi, in order to send fear through the population in that village. An auntie of his lunged at his torso with a blanket covering him to give him some dignity. Which is when a general dragged her off and inspected the body which his head was also alongside him. After realizing how young he was, He then started laughing and mocked him as he yelled to the rest of the villagers who gathered around the center "Are these the types we fear that will take Macedonia away from us?" This tells me at that time, Kladorabi was pro Macedonian. During a visit to that village around 10 years ago, i spent a couple of nights there and sensed nothing but Macedonian.[/QUOTE]

Terrible and infuriating to read, Bill. I am sorry.

[QUOTE=link from Amphipolis above]After being killed seventeen, Karavitis leaves the latter to live, telling the other Macedonians that anyone who [B]does not [I]become [/I]a Greek [/B]will not remain in his house " no cat alive "
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Greeks either can't read their own resources or they are all lying to the world together in one cohesive group. I don't think they are that clever. What a bunch of duped fools.

Bill77 08-15-2018 05:01 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;175758]Terrible and infuriating to read, Bill. I am sorry.


[/QUOTE]Thanks Chris. Even more tragic is that he was taken away to some mass grave which his parents and siblings never found out exactly where. Though i did a little investigating for them while i was there (as they can never cross over the border) and found out roughly where he might be.

He with the help of the partisans transferred his parents and siblings over to Bitola after police threatened the family's lives if they don't hand their son in within 24hours. Which parent can hand their son over, to a certain death? He stayed with then a couple of days in Bitola making sure they ended up having a roof over their heads. Thats when this photo was taken. That was the last they have seen of him as the next day he head back to continue to fight and seven days later, he lost his life.

Oh most infuriating thing is, it was his uncle (Tetin) that ran to where he was captured and handed his own axe, which was used by the capturers so they could chop his head off. Wanted to show them (the weasel that he was) that he was a proud Greek. many many years later he, this tetin went to Bitola and looked up my Great grandparents and dropped to his knees asking for forgiveness. The piece of shit. He moved to Melbourne Australia not long after and gladly he died a decade ago. Not soon enough and i feel bad saying it.

Karposh 08-15-2018 06:44 AM

Bill, I had no idea about the history behind Kladorabi and how close to home my question has struck for you. I meant no offence whatsoever. And, if you have taken any, then I appologise wholeheartedly. I'm only going off the story's description of Kladorabi descendants in Australia and Greece, which is why I asked for someone who has any insight about this village because there is always a reason why people behave the way they do. My interest on the matter was out of genuine curiosity to know why the hearts of these villagers have been hardened so much, that's all. Without knowing about Kladorabi's past, I was really annoyed to read the story's description of these villagers as die-hard Greeks. Thank you for setting me straight and I'm sure Kladorabi has it's fare share of real Macedonian patriots just like your dedo, who, like you said, was born and died in the village.

What happened to your dedo is a war crime. Plain and simple.

BTW, I always wondered who that person on your Avatar was. I assumed it was your dad. Can I ask if that's his baby he is holding or a niece or nephew?

Carlin 08-15-2018 05:17 PM

Horrible, Bill I am really sorry.

Bill77 08-15-2018 08:15 PM

[QUOTE=Karposh;175761]Bill, I had no idea about the history behind Kladorabi and how close to home my question has struck for you. I meant no offence whatsoever. And, if you have taken any, then I appologise wholeheartedly. I'm only going off the story's description of Kladorabi descendants in Australia and Greece, which is why I asked for someone who has any insight about this village because there is always a reason why people behave the way they do. My interest on the matter was out of genuine curiosity to know why the hearts of these villagers have been hardened so much, that's all. Without knowing about Kladorabi's past, I was really annoyed to read the story's description of these villagers as die-hard Greeks. Thank you for setting me straight and I'm sure Kladorabi has it's fare share of real Macedonian patriots just like your dedo, who, like you said, was born and died in the village.

What happened to your dedo is a war crime. Plain and simple.

BTW, I always wondered who that person on your Avatar was. I assumed it was your dad. Can I ask if that's his baby he is holding or a niece or nephew?[/QUOTE] Firstly.... i wish to apologise for i am about to rave on a bit. The majority probably won't bother to read my post due to the size of it, but i have to as it's soothing to release.

A) Hi Karposh, no need to apologise my good friend and i took no offense whatsoever. if anything i should thank you for bringing it up as it gave me an opportunity to tell my story and release some pain iv'e bottled in.

B) Every Village has its die-hard Greeks some more than others. Kladorabi is not exempt. The stories description posted on this thread is just one side painting a biased picture (admittedly i have not read it so i'm not sure what its about) but i have my own honest insight, through family history and personal experience i can share. On the subject of personal experience..... As i stated earlier, i spent a couple of nights in that village. It was like a ghost town, not many people around any longer and a neglected little village (which is the case for every historically pro-Macedonian villages)

We stayed at this absolute lovely little old ladies house who lived with her quite old never married son who was rarely home. She spoke perfect Macedonian so did her son who we finally met out on the street as we were driving exiting the village. I have video of this lady out in the street grabing my hand and starts singing Macedonian and dancing an oro with me out of the blue. She was lovely enough to walk me through the village and show me my ancestors homes and the remaining hand full of family members. It was so eerie but beautiful. She showed me the house where my Dedo was born, lived and his family had to escape from. It was as if i entered some time warp and i was living those days waiting for them to come out and being introduced. I was woken out of my somewhat trance by a male voice who spoke perfect Macedonian, if not better, just as good as anyone in Bitola. It was the next door neighbor. Very welcoming and a kind lovely bloke. Me being so emotional after being in a momentary trance had to ask this neighbor (which was probably to abrupt of me).... Who was this uncle that played part in my dedo's murder by offering the axe. I was so hungry for information on my family history. He took a step backward and raised his hands saying "ne znam" looking quite uncomfortable. I felt this was quite strange. This is also captured on video. Once i showed this video to the family (brother) of dedo Yani back in Bitola, he instantly recognised this man i questioned, to be the son of this uncle who handed over the axe. Poor man (not his fault for what his father did) probably thought i was there for revenge.

Then i was taken further down the road to this small little but picturesque property, that belonged to a family member of mine. The old lady and now this neighbor showing us the village knocked on the door, and out came a tall but old an frail lady around the age of 90. I will never forget the first words i heard her speak "ti se molam ne moj da mi go zemite kujkata, sama sum stara zena". Till this day it still hurts me. I don't know why she reacted the way she did. Once we were introduced to her, as who we were.... she felt more at ease as she realised we were not there for any sinister reason.

Why i'm telling you all this? though its not clear evidence, but you can make a strong case that when a person naturally speaks their mother tongue, is a indication of where their heart leans to ethnicity.

C) That baby in the picture, is the brother of Dedo Yani. The brother that lives in Bitola who i have shown the video of Kladorabi to since he has never visited his place of birth.


Oh and for war crime? Information i received of the highly likely place he is buried is in a mass grave in Lerin. Instructions given to me were something about a second or third exit in a big roundabout as you enter Lerin center from Bitola. You would have to drive a few miles and you will come across a populated area but one strange empty large prime piece of land where no one dares to build on it. Locals would tell you that its a site of mass graves and being superstitious fear building on it. But who would care enough or have interest to investigate?

Risto the Great 08-15-2018 08:18 PM

Lest we forget Bill.

Liberator of Makedonija 08-15-2018 08:23 PM

Pretty powerful stuff, thanks for sharing Bill. My condelences as well.

I do recommend you read the story when you get the chance but also read what I said after how the names and village of origin were changed to protect privacy, so it isn't actually talking about Kladorabi.

Bill77 08-15-2018 08:44 PM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;175775]Pretty powerful stuff, thanks for sharing Bill. My condelences as well.

I do recommend you read the story when you get the chance but also read what I said after how the names and village of origin were changed to protect privacy, so it isn't actually talking about Kladorabi.[/QUOTE] I will LOM and i didn't mean to be disrespectful to your post/thread its just me being lazy.

Gocka 08-15-2018 08:50 PM

Please do rave on, and don't make silly apologies. These are the stories that all Macedonians should share, because now your story is our collective story. Now when I talk about Greek oppression, I can say I know a direct descendant of Greek brutality. Your tragedy is my tragedy, your loss is my loss. These types of sad stories should serve as a chilling reminder that as Macedonians, our struggle should transcend petty politics and squabbles. There was a time when they murdered us for who we were, and we can not let that be forgotten.

[QUOTE=Bill77;175772]Firstly.... i wish to apologise for i am about to rave on a bit. The majority probably won't bother to read my post due to the size of it, but i have to as it's soothing to release.
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Liberator of Makedonija 08-15-2018 08:56 PM

[QUOTE=Bill77;175781]I will LOM and i didn't mean to be disrespectful to your post/thread its just me being lazy.[/QUOTE]

None taken mate, just didn't want you believing it was actually about your village.

Bill77 08-15-2018 08:57 PM

And to share a little story about this hospitable old lady from Kladorabi. Her deceased husband was a gentle quiet family orientated man. He was often beaten savagely by the Partizans for not helping them out. The beatings were so severe that he ended up with a broken back for the rest of his life. It not that he wasn't sympathetic with the Partizan cause, he feared any involvement would be detrimental to his family if the Greek forced found out. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Remarkably his old lady dosen't hold any grudges though.

Apparently, the Kladorabi who joined the Partizans would hide in the woods during the day and enter the village at night to pick up food supplies which was expected from the villagers. Its how my dedo was caught. Was given the green light by a traitor one night to come and collect and walked into awaiting Greek army.

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;175783]None taken mate, just didn't want you believing it was actually about your village.[/QUOTE] Got it :)
I was just responding to Karposh mentioning Kladorabia thinking it had something to do with it. Iv'e spoken about this story a while ago and the simple mention of Kladorabi triggered something in me this time, that i never knew existed. Mabe subconsciously it effects me more than i thought with this ROM surrendering saga and the thinking now in hindsight, what a waist of life and suffering my ancestors went through.

Bill77 08-15-2018 10:27 PM

LOM.... i just read your post and thanks for creating this thread.
I get the names and birthplaces were altered .... but coincidently they used Kladorabi and after reading the first page of the article or book you supplied where it states Ted's family home was confiscated ......

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Its made me think about the story i just shared of that 90-year-old relative first reaction first words "Please don't take my house".....And the confusion i had till this day as to why she reacted that way, now it makes sense and I'm convinced she has suffered these threats at some stage of her life.

Risto the Great 08-15-2018 11:02 PM

[QUOTE=Bill77;175789]Its made me think about the story i just shared of that 90-year-old relative first reaction first words "Please don't take my house".....And the confusion i had till this day as to why she reacted that way, now it makes sense and I'm convinced she has suffered these threats at some stage of her life.[/QUOTE]
Of course she would think that. She clearly remembers the era when the pig Greeks would confiscate and give property to the former Turkish nationals that migrated to occupied Macedonia.

Liberator of Makedonija 08-16-2018 12:29 AM

[QUOTE=Bill77;175789]LOM.... i just read your post and thanks for creating this thread.
I get the names and birthplaces were altered .... but coincidently they used Kladorabi and after reading the first page of the article or book you supplied where it states Ted's family home was confiscated ......

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Its made me think about the story i just shared of that 90-year-old relative first reaction first words "Please don't take my house".....And the confusion i had till this day as to why she reacted that way, now it makes sense and I'm convinced she has suffered these threats at some stage of her life.[/QUOTE]

Glad this thread could bring that to light for you.

Dove 08-20-2018 12:50 AM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;175743]I should have noted that names and birthplaces were altered for the protection of privacy, so "Jim Yannas" isn't actually from Kladorabi. [/QUOTE]


Thank you for mentioning that. Also, what is the name of the source document and the year of publication please?

Liberator of Makedonija 08-20-2018 02:25 AM

[QUOTE=Dove;175908]Thank you for mentioning that. Also, what is the name of the source document and the year of publication please?[/QUOTE]

The book was titled the [I]Macedonian Conflict[/I] by Loring Danforth, published in 1995.

Bill77 08-26-2018 09:55 PM

Hi there nushevski. Thanks for taking time reading my story.

Nevoliany or Nevoleny (if they are the same thing) is very familiar to me i might have relatives who came from there. I'll investigate a bit further on that and get back to you if i have something to share.

Regarding the comment, your grandfather fought for the "Communists" was he a communist? or is it just a label given to him by the fascist Greeks during the time he was captured. Yes Macedonians sided with the communist Greeks as both had a common enemy, but doesn't necessarily mean they to were communists. That was just propaganda at the time which still gets used by Greeks today.

Risto the Great 08-26-2018 10:31 PM

Nushevski77, I strongly doubt whether a single Macedonian soul was actually fighting for "communism" in Greece at that time. Your Great Grandfather was a Macedonian hero fighting for liberation. The rest of his family suffered whilst living in Greece because of this.

He would have been sent to Makronisos.
[url]https://www.greektravel.com/greekislands/makronisos/[/url]

The Greek enemy were defending their German King.

What a pity nobody told our Macedonians that they were fighting the USA and Great Britain.

Risto the Great 08-26-2018 10:52 PM

No problem nushevski77.
The commies were promising Macedonians autonomy. So Macedonians supported the communists in the war. It didn't mean they were communists.

Liberator of Makedonija 08-26-2018 11:40 PM

Macedonians who supported SNOF, MNLF or the NLA were labelled Communists just like Macedonians who supported the Ohrana or VMRO were labelled Fascists.

I have met former Partisans here in Australia that stated they do hold Socialist-sympathies and many of their former Partisans did as well but their sole aim was Macedonian liberation, not Greek democraticisation.

Amphipolis 08-26-2018 11:48 PM

This is a collection of sources about your village (from Lithoxoou's website) automatically translated. Parts are often destroyed in translation, if you're interested for clarifications about anything tell me.

19. Gorno Nevoljani Gorno Nevoljani. It was renamed to Watchtower. The 2001 census was a settlement of the municipality of Florina, in the prefecture of Florina. It is an old settlement, which refers to a 15th-century Turkish register. During the last period of the Ottoman administration, there were 1,350 Christian Macedonians (mostly large) and 350 Muslim Turks. The Christians of the village participated in the Illidan Revolution and knew about the retaliation of the army. Because of their separatist and subordinate beliefs, they also became the target of the armed Greek organization. Residents from the village, who migrated, most temporarily, at the beginning of the 20th century in the US, told the US authorities that they were ethnic Macedonians. Until 1924 Muslims were forced to leave Turkey and in their place the Greek administration installed Christian refugees. In 1928 the population consisted of 1,600 Macedonians and 100 refugees (mostly Minorites). Most of the natives were, for the security authorities, anti-Greek or fluid thoughts. The demographic evolution of the settlement after the civil war has been normal.



19a. Sources:

In the late 15th century, the village of Nevoljani (not Gorno or Dolno) was a) Timisoara of Ilias Segban with 30 families; b) Temple of Ali (son of Jussuf) and Ahmed with 79 families; c) with 29 families; d) Temple of Mehmed (Habib's son) with 35 families; e) Temple of Jaghur (the son of Hoshu) with 34 families; e) Temple of Dauth (Chaltic Firus's son) of Fuat (Dogan's son) [Turkish Documents].

Grn. Nevoljan [Austrian Map].

Ano Nevologini kaza of Florina, a mixed settlement of Christians and Muslims [Map of Kontogoni]. Ano Dolian of Florina, 1,150 Christians and 440 Ottomans (: Muslim) inhabitants [Schinas 1886].

Involuntary / Lerinska said 1,260 Christian Bulgarians and 300 Turks [Kunchov 1900].

Neolithani, in 1902 had 232 families [Petcivas].

Nevoliani / Caza de Lerin (Florina), Christian population: 480 indigenous and 1,040 patriarchal Bulgarians. Operation of an elementary school with a teacher and 35 students and a patriarchal school with two teachers and 27 pupils [Brancoff 1905].

Nevolyian, an outlying village before the Ottoman Constitution of 1908 and a mixed village (exarchate and patriarchal) afterwards. Ten families went to the Patriarchate [Consulate of Monastiri 1908].

Neviliani: "Mercier of peasants had not been settled in 1898, I understood one of the two churches. In 1906 the remainder of the party was also denied, but the church was closed by the authorities. After the constitution the inhabitants tried to understand it, and the Authority proceeded to sealing it after protests by the Metropolitan of Moglenon. But the Bulgarians stamped the stamp and occupied it "[Ecclesiastical Truth 1909].

Upper Nevoliani of Florina, 725 Orthodox Greeks under Bulgarian terrorism (: Macedonians who joined the country) from 1907, 350 schismatic Bulgarians (old Macedonians) and 249 Muslims [Halkiopoulos 1910].

Ano Nevoleiani of Florina, 1,833 people (991 males and 842 females) [1913].

Ano Nevoleiani of Florina, was the homonymous community [Government Gazette 259 / 21.12. 1918].

Invalid, 150 homes of Christian Slavs and 50 Muslim Turks [Милојевић 1920].

Ano Nevoleiani of Florina, 1,520 people (684 males and 836 females). 299 families [Census 1920].

Renovation of the settlement from Ano Nevolyeni to Watchtower [GG 156 / 8. 8. 1928].

Ano Nevolyeni (Watchtower) of the office of Florina, became a mixed settlement of natives and refugees. Until 1926, 26 refugee families (121 people) settled [CR].

Ano Nevolyeni, a mixed settlement of Muslims and Christians, left 59 families of Muslims (350 people) and 25 refugee families came: three from Thrace and 22 from Asia Minor [Pelagidis].

Watchtower (Ano Nevologini) of Florina, 1,478 people (650 males and 828 females), of whom 74 were refugees who came after 1922 (31 males and 43 females). The residents were 1,442 and 36 heterosexuals. Altogether 10 citizens were recorded [Inventory 1928].

Watchtower (Ano Nevoleiani), 140 xenophobic families, all of them pronounced Slavic thoughts [Statistics 1932].

Nevoliani, "Ours, the families Stamboulis, Tasouskis, Koles Stefos Rousin and Elias Dane" [Stefos Grigoriou 1935].

Watchtower of Florina, 1,731 people (768 males and 963 females) [Census 1940].

Watchtower, 1,691 residents, of whom 1,100 were polarized. There were 800 non-Greek conscious, 300 fluid and 591 Greek [Statistics 1945].

Неволјани (Горно Неволјани): It was a mixed settlement of Christian Macedonians and Muslim Turks, who in 1940 had become a mixed settlement of Macedonians and refugees [Simovsky].

In post-war censuses the actual population was -> 1951: 1.522, 1961: 1.077, 1971: 732, 1981: 612, 1991: 594, 2001: 571.

Altitude 700 [NSSG Dictionary]

19b. 1903-1908:

During the Ilinden Revolution, on August 1, 1903, an Ottoman military squadron picked up the village church and stole 15 pounds worth of items [Dragoumis, 214].

On March 26, 1905, a man of the Greek organization attempted unsuccessfully to kill the separatist Naoum Hristof from the village of Nevoliani at the monastery (Bitola) [Consulate of Monastiri, 28/3/1905, document 318].

On August 18, 1905, the separatists killed the patriarchal priest Konstantinos Christides [362].

In the evening, on October 29, 1905, the bodies of the chieftains Thymiou Kaoudis and Yorgos Skalidis attacked. The attack has been indicated by Vasilis Balkos, from the Greek organization (center) of Florina. That evening a marriage took place in the village and the Greeks believed they would find many opponents gathered. They arrived at the house of Giorki Yanev's house where the feast was celebrated and set fire. Anyone who tried to get out was killed by the Greek gunfights [Script, 3/11/1905].

The Austrian Consul measured the other day 13 dead and 7 injured (three women, three girls and one boy). Kaoudis writes: "After seeing what they did not let us into the house, we had this candle, but from the door were Lefkaroudakis and Kostas Tarantoulis and they put on a lamp, so they were forced out one of them screaming, those who were left in the auditorium. I do not find out how many people were missing, but quite a few "[Kaoudis 115].

EMPROS wrote that 22 bodies were finally transported from the village to Florina [EMPROS, 9/11/1905].

The news was made known to the American press by a telegram from Thessaloniki on 1/14 November. According to this, the Greeks first shot six people outside the house where the marriage took place and then burned the building. Inside the burning house, seventeen people, most women and children, were burned [The Salt Lake Herald, 15/11/1905, p. 1].

According to Modes, "the poor bride, jumping from the window to escape, broke her legs" [Modes B, 294].

Vakalopoulos reduces the number of killed in 13 [Vakalopoulos B, 142].

The Greek organization then attempted to attack the village again, as shown in several parts of the Barda diary [Bardas B, 523, 619, 624, 884, 911].

Eventually he managed to kill the pre-eminent Santires on October 9, 1906 [Consulate of Monastiri, 14/10/1906, document 717].

On 19 August 1906 the separatists killed the patriarchal priest Anastasios [Consulate of Monastiri, 11/12/1906, document 832].



19c. Immigrants:

Between 1903 and 1915 they emigrated from the village to the islands and when they arrived at Ellis Island, the ethnic Macedonians declared the following 36 people:

Jovan Dinsitri, Kole Lazo, Kosto Hekso, Luice Dinsitri, Mice Risto, Mouse Stefo, Petre Vasilj and Taseff Kole in 1903.

Anastas Kole, Andrea Pavle, Epta Naonmtche, Riste Naonmtche and Sterico Tacho in 1905.

Cache Tovan, Don Stefoff, Ghitze Naoumtzeff, Ivan Gulorgi, Lazo Natzof, Lazor Tovanoff, Nicola Vasileff, Petre Koleff, Risto Kotchoff and Tanas Doneff in 1906.

Filipo Risto, Ilo Kristoff, Kiste Traykoff, Stepho Filip and Trayan Kristoff in 1910.

Christo Tilipoff, Fassil Kuzeff, Ilio Kotoeff, Ilo Laneff and Tlor Faneff in 1912.

Almed Mustafa and Sinan Nedjip in 1914.

Constantin Nicola in 1915.

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Amphipolis 08-26-2018 11:57 PM

[QUOTE=nushevski77;176000]Thanks Amphipolis could I also please get a link for the website[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.lithoksou.net/p/oikismoi-tis-florinas-poy-arxizoyn-apo-g"]http://www.lithoksou.net/p/oikismoi-tis-florinas-poy-arxizoyn-apo-g[/URL]

Amphipolis 08-27-2018 12:15 AM

[QUOTE=nushevski77;176002]Amphipolis I don't really understand what it means by "725 Orthodox Greeks under Bulgarian terrorism (: Macedonians who joined the country) from 1907, 350 schismatic Bulgarians (old Macedonians) and 249 Muslims"
Were the greeks under Bulgarian terrorism actually Macedonians or the other way around or not at all? I'm a bit confused & also what are schismatic Bulgarians (old Macedonians)? Sorry for any inconvenience or ignorance I'm just a bit confused and don't know about this stuff but thank you.[/QUOTE]

This is the wording of a Greek source. Here's the accurate translation.

Άνω Νεβόλιανι Φλωρίνης, 725 ορθόδοξοι Έλληνες υπό τη βουλγαρική τρομοκρατία (: Μακεδόνες που προσχώρησαν στη εξαρχία ) από το 1907, 350 σχισματικοί βουλγαρίζοντες (: παλαιοί εξαρχικοί Μακεδόνες) και 249 μουσουλμάνοι [Χαλκιόπουλος 1910].

Upper Nevolyani, Florina, 725 Orthodox Greeks under Bulgarian terror since 1907 (i.e. Macedonians that became Exarchists), 350 schismatic pro-Bulgarians (i.e. Macedonians who were already Exarchists, before 1907) and 249 Muslims [Source: Chalkiopoulos 1910]

Notes are by Lithoxoou.


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