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Diabolical 02-18-2009 03:47 AM

The Ilinden Uprising
 
Hi, I'm looking for info on the Ilinden Uprising, specifically the liberation of Krusevo. How long did it take to liberate the town, who was involved, what weapons were used, strategy, the fighting size of both sides. etc

So far I've only found very general info. Gimme anything you got, video, text, in English, Macedonian, wateva!

Also, where can I find biographies on the members of VMRO? I've found one on Goce Delchev... what about the other members?

The reason for this is that I'm writing a historical short story, on Macedonia in the 1900s ( A major project for school). So does anyone know what daily life was like in the 1900s (so around 1890 until the Uprising) Eg. A child growing up in Macedonia, would he go to school (I read that VMRO recruited in schools?), until what age, what was life in the gradovi like as oppossed to the sela, what about job prospects etc.

I really do realize that this is asking a lot, but if anyone can point me to a book, or can help me out in any way possible, that would be great :D I'll post my progress here and when I'm done (should be towards the end of the year) I'll post it here :)

Thanks again :D

Soldier of Macedon 02-18-2009 04:32 AM

Welcome mate. Here is something we started a little while back:

[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=419[/url]

It is an interesting topic and I am sure others here can assist with information where it concerns the Macedonian revolutionaries of the 19th and 20th centuries.

Pelister 02-19-2009 12:29 AM

[QUOTE=Diabolical;12063]Hi, I'm looking for info on the Ilinden Uprising, specifically the liberation of Krusevo. How long did it take to liberate the town, who was involved, what weapons were used, strategy, the fighting size of both sides. etc

So far I've only found very general info. Gimme anything you got, video, text, in English, Macedonian, wateva!

Also, where can I find biographies on the members of VMRO? I've found one on Goce Delchev... what about the other members?

The reason for this is that I'm writing a historical short story, on Macedonia in the 1900s ( A major project for school). So does anyone know what daily life was like in the 1900s (so around 1890 until the Uprising) Eg. A child growing up in Macedonia, would he go to school (I read that VMRO recruited in schools?), until what age, what was life in the gradovi like as oppossed to the sela, what about job prospects etc.

I really do realize that this is asking a lot, but if anyone can point me to a book, or can help me out in any way possible, that would be great :D I'll post my progress here and when I'm done (should be towards the end of the year) I'll post it here :)

Thanks again :D[/QUOTE]

Wow, interesting times in Macedonia.

It was a real wild west. Full of [I]Arami[/I], Muslims, Turks, Jannisseries, [I]Aga's[/I] and the like.

For instance, after the fall of Krushevo, the Aga of Prilep (an Albanian in the Turkish army), had permission to lead about 3,000 Jannisseries (Albanians) to sack it for its wealth, and riches because they knew there was riches there. That was their 'pay'. They went from house to house, looting and stealing anything they could find.

Diabolical 02-19-2009 04:31 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;12069]Welcome mate. Here is something we started a little while back:

[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=419[/url]

It is an interesting topic and I am sure others here can assist with information where it concerns the Macedonian revolutionaries of the 19th and 20th centuries.[/QUOTE]

thanks! :D

[QUOTE=Pelister;12123]Wow, interesting times in Macedonia.

It was a real wild west. Full of [I]Arami[/I], Muslims, Turks, Jannisseries, [I]Aga's[/I] and the like.

For instance, after the fall of Krushevo, the Aga of Prilep (an Albanian in the Turkish army), had permission to lead about 3,000 Jannisseries (Albanians) to sack it for its wealth, and riches because they knew there was riches there. That was their 'pay'. They went from house to house, looting and stealing anything they could find.[/QUOTE]

That's interesting. I thought that there were also Albanian fighters in the uprising, fighting on the side of the Macedonians? Also what kind of riches was there in Krushevo? Also what are the Arami? Thanks!

Thank you everyone :D Keep it coming ehehe :D

Soldier of Macedon 02-19-2009 05:00 AM

Arami are theives.

Which Albanians fought on the Macedonian side?

Magedon 02-19-2009 05:28 AM

The Skipetar (nowadays Albanian) always fought either for himself or for the highest bidder (in those times the Turk) - Mercenarie is actually the only profession the Albanians were ever known for - or at least remembered as such. What is trade and merchendize to the Greek - mercenarie is to the Skipetar. They never ever fought along with Macedonians (except for the exceptions wich confirmed the rule) - they always somehow ended on the other side, or against the Macedonians.

Diabolical 02-19-2009 06:56 AM

In my research, I have picked up a useful book called IMRO and the Macedonian Question by Michael A. Radin.

It seems, I have misunderstood... It was the Vlachs that were enthusiastic and fought along the Macedonians (sorry, I have only recently seriously started looking into Macedonian history from Ottoman period hehe :))

a paragraph on p103 says [QUOTE]Albanians within Macedonia also played a significant role in the storming of Krushevo, and were active in establishing the new administration. A number of rebels from Albania acted as arms couriers for the Organization in the Demirhisar district.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't say more than that about the Albanians... Arms couriers, from the looks of it, seems like another word for "weapons dealer" more or less... that may be the "significant role" the book speaks of (or maybe this also included mercenaries that Magedon was speaking of) ... about the "new administration" I have no idea what that means..

Soldier of Macedon 02-19-2009 07:13 AM

Apart from selling us some guns for a buck, the Albanians had little to do with the Macedonian struggle for liberation.

Sarafot 02-19-2009 10:46 AM

Macedonian names for so called ''Albanians''!
-LJUNGA
-ŠOK
-ŠIPTAR
-ARNAUT
-GILIPTAR

Pelister 02-19-2009 10:45 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;12149]Arami are theives.

Which Albanians fought on the Macedonian side?[/QUOTE]

None.

In this specific fight, it was a call for anyone to join [I]only in principle[/I], but they were all Macedonians with one or two exceptions.


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