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Soldier of Macedon 06-20-2009 01:06 PM

Montenegro - History
 
[url]http://www.visit-montenegro.com/cities-bar-c.htm[/url]

[QUOTE]In that legend among other things, it is said that love between Vladimir and [B][COLOR="Red"]Kosara- the daughter of the Macedonian King Samuilo[/COLOR][/B], was unusual. Namely, during the Samuilo`s attack on the area known as Precista Krajinska, where the capital of the state Duklja was placed, Prince Vladimir former ruler, in order to save his people he voluntarily surrendered himself to Samuilo. Vladimir was immediately imprisoned, but not long after Samuilo`s daughter Kosara falls in love with Vladimir, so the Prince of Duklja is being released. Vladimir and Kosara stay in marriage until the year 1014, when [B][COLOR="red"]after Samuilo`s death, the Macedonian throne falls into hands of Jovan Vladislav[/COLOR][/B]. Considering the fact that Prince Vladimir independently ruled Duklja, he immediately fell in disfavor of [B][COLOR="red"]the new Macedonian emperor Vladislav[/COLOR][/B], who tricked him into death in the year of 1016. Still, the appearance of Prince Vladimir, later a saint, is interesting also because of the fact that the cult of St. Vladimir of Duklja is cherished even today, so in the June procession that is organized up to the mountain Rumija, on which according to the tradition there used to be the church of St. Vladimir, believers of all three confessions participate: Orthodox, Catholics ad Muslims. On that day on the top of the mountain a wooden cross is being carried, which according to a legend Prince Vladimir had on him during the execution. Vladimir`s cross is being preserved as the greatest relic in Androvic brotherhood in the Old Bar.

For the data about Prince and St. Vladimir of Duklja, merit goes to Byzantium historian Jovan Sikilica, who at one time wrote that the “blessed Prince Vladimir of Duklja, was just, peace-loving man, full of virtues” so that the cult of St. Vladimir beside in Duklja was respected in Dalmatia, Albania, [B][COLOR="red"]Macedonia[/COLOR][/B] and Bulgaria.[/QUOTE]

Good for you Montenegro.

I have read about this interesting story many times before, how the Macedonian princess fell in love with a Montenegrin prince, and Samoil, for the love of his daughter, after having him imprisoned, then releases him and allows them to be together.

The man appears to have had a good heart, although he was responsible for the death of close family members, this could likely be because they rivalled or plotted against him......

Rogi 06-20-2009 01:47 PM

Macedonia and Montenegro are very close...they actually have real respect for Macedonians.

Macedonians also make up most of the working population in some of Montenegro's tourist hotspots, like Budva (which is very beautiful, by the way!)

Dimko-piperkata 06-20-2009 04:01 PM

great find !

Pelister 06-20-2009 10:53 PM

I had never heard of Jovan Vladislav as A Macedonian King.

The first thing that came to my mind was Macedonian Royalty. Is it possible a Montenegrin or even a Macedonian can claim descent?

Great find SoM.

Soldier of Macedon 06-21-2009 12:35 AM

Not sure what happened to their descendants.

The Montenegrins recognize the Macedonian character of Samuel and his empire, and we recognize the Montenegrin contribution to their own society. The Montenegrins have a rich warrior tradition, they would surely retain many Illyrian customs, and it is refreshing to see that they accept history from a pragmatic and realistic viewpoint, as opposed to the rest of our neighbours. Needless to say, it was Montenegro, and not Serbia, that kept the candle of freedom for the Illyrian Slavs alight during the Ottoman era, the way they were duped by the Serbs later is also a sad chapter in the autonomous history of the Montenegrins.

Mr. MASO 06-21-2009 05:44 AM

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIxWi0y_91U]YouTube - Macedonians in Montenegrin sources[/url]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pelister 06-22-2009 12:20 AM

There we have it.

Macedonian royal blood is found in Montengrin royalty.

That is brilliant.

Rogi 06-22-2009 12:38 AM

I haven't watched the video yet, but what I have read was that Samuil's daughter married into the Montenegrin royalty, I think that's where the connection between the royal families began.

It's also the same connection to the Queen of England, as their daughter (Samuil's granddaughter) married into that Royal family and so on.

Pelister 06-22-2009 12:55 AM

[QUOTE=Rogi;18766]I haven't watched the video yet, but what I have read was that Samuil's daughter married into the Montenegrin royalty, I think that's where the connection between the royal families began.

[B]It's also the same connection to the Queen of England, as their daughter (Samuil's granddaughter) married into that Royal family and so on.[/B][/QUOTE]

I have never heard of that.

Are there any references to this marriage?

Rogi 06-22-2009 01:39 AM

Samuil’s daughter, Theodora Kosara married Jovan Vladimir.

Theodora Kosara and Jovan Vladimir had a daughter, who married Stefan Vojslav, prince of Zeta (Montengro).


Stefan Vojslav and his wife (grandaughter of Samuil) had a son, Mihailo I of Duklja.
He would be Samuil's great-grandson.


Now, look at the family tree of the House of Vojislavljević
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Vojislavljevi%C4%87#Family_Tree[/url]

Find Mihailo I (as mentioned above) on the tree and you'll see how from his root there is a connection to all Royal families in Europe.


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