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Liberator of Makedonija 07-17-2018 11:54 PM

And yet Bulgaria dares question our identity? Also feeds into the whole Bulgarian = peasant argument.

[IMG]https://vgy.me/ouDDuN.jpg[/IMG]

tchaiku 07-18-2018 06:27 AM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;175187]And yet Bulgaria dares question our identity? Also feeds into the whole Bulgarian = peasant argument.

[IMG]https://vgy.me/ouDDuN.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The Greeks of Bulgaria are not Greeks.

[QUOTE]They relocated after the end of the Russo-Turkish War of 1828-1829. 1 from the villages of Golyam Bojalak (Sharkovo) and Malak Boyaluk (Malko Sharkovo), Kazazlarsko (Elhovo), Golyam Monastery and Little Monastery, Kavakliysko (Topolovgradsko) where they were known under the ethnographic name karyoti. Kariot called them their neighbors from the surrounding villages 2 .

In the southeast of Bulgaria, the "Greeks" inhabited two groups of villages - Kavakliy (Topolovgrad) - Kozludja (Oreshnik), Duganovo, Sinapli (Sinapovo), Chukurovo (Chukarovo), Golyam Monastery and Little Monastery. Agach (Elhovo) and the villages of Golyam Boyalak (Sharkovo), Little Boyak (Malko Sharkovo) and Muradali (Mamarchevo) 3 . They dealt mainly with parchment (gardening).

According to Konstantin Irechek (1888), the karyotes are named after the Greek name of the village of Kozlodja - (Karais, Kariosches). "The kariot's wearer is perfectly Bulgarian, with the cap together. Men do not know all Bulgarian, but there are women who know it. Singing songs with foreign intruders, eg. with Bulgarian refreees, like "yakla Yane!", shows that these Greeks are in part only bully Bulgarians; in Kavakli, now perfectly Greek, a neighborhood is still called Bulgar Mahala . According to the topographic nomenclature, which, with few exceptions, is perfectly Turkish, it can be judged that the Christian population is also of a newer origin " 4 .

In the eighteenth and especially in the nineteenth century under the pressure of the Patriarchate of Constantinople and the Greek clergy, and also seduced by some material gains and privileges, the kareots started to wrinkle but did not lose their Bulgarian language based on ancient vocabulary and mixed with some Greek and Turkish words.

When settling in the villages of Tatar (Kipra), Kara Hussein (Sratsimir / Chernevo), Kozludja (Novgrad / Suvorovo) and Krivna, their new neighbors started to call them "Greeks" because of the Greek 5 . The kareots sing Bulgarian songs. Bulgarians were also their customs. In their settlements in Southeastern Bulgaria the men wore white boots (narrow upper men's underpants in the northwestern Bulgarians Belodreshkovtsi) and white shorts (short overcoat) characteristic of the costa 6 . Gradually, they were replaced with the black and gray costume that is characteristic of this end. After their resettlement in the Varna region, where they stood - in a compact Bulgarian population (such as Kozludja and Krivnya), they quickly regained their Bulgarian self-consciousness. They themselves said: "We are Bulgarians, but we are Greek people". This reverse process of bulgarianization in the village of Taptenko and especially in the village of Kara Hussein, where the population lived in a compact way, developed more slowly.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://liternet.bg/publish10/aangelov/kipra/content.htm[/url]

Liberator of Makedonija 07-18-2018 06:41 AM

[QUOTE=tchaiku;175201]The Greeks of Bulgaria and not Greeks.



[url]https://liternet.bg/publish10/aangelov/kipra/content.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

I know this perfectly well, only highlights how stupid Bulgarian arguements are against us when the same arguments can apply to them.

Liberator of Makedonija 07-22-2018 11:04 AM

Bulgarians love to go on about all the Macedonians that supported the Bulgarian military during the Balkan Wars but never mention that Macedonians supported and were enlisted in the militaries of all the Balkan League members, not just Bulgaria.

According to Wikipedia, Vasil Cekalarov supported the Greek Army and then switched to the Bulgarian Army via the Macedonian-Adrianopolitan Volunteer Corps:

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasil_Chekalarov[/url]

Om3n 07-28-2018 09:12 AM

If there was one person who is worthy of being credited as the biggest Bulgarian propagandist in internet history it would have to be [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Jingiby&offset=&limit=500&target=Jingiby][B]this guy[/B][/url]. He trolls Wikipedia articles relating to Macedonian history and the Macedonians, making sure that it conforms to the Bulgarian paradigm which he has inculcated in people to be the "neutral" view of international scholarship and that the Macedonian view belongs to Communist-influenced fringe theorists in the Republic of Macedonia. There is seemingly not a day that goes by that he doesn't make an edit and this guy has been active for over a decade...

It seems that over the years he has succeeded in virtually ridding Wikipedia of editors contributing information contrary to his beliefs, and he recently created and wrote an article titled "[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historiography_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia][b]Historiography in the Republic of Macedonia[/b][/url]" (July 5) which is little more than a polemic against Macedonian nationhood with a hodgepodge of the same rhetoric and sources he's been touting since I was a contributor back in my high school days.

It is for this these reasons that so many Wikipedia articles in this field read more like an agenda to prove what ethnicity someone was rather than objectively focusing on their merits. I wrote this so you that you may understand what kind of people we're dealing with and why Wikipedia is hardly a reliable place to derive information.

Liberator of Makedonija 07-28-2018 10:57 PM

[QUOTE=Om3n;175475]It is for this these reasons that so many Wikipedia articles in this field read more like an agenda to prove what ethnicity someone was rather than objectively focusing on their merits. I wrote this so you that you may understand what kind of people we're dealing with and why Wikipedia is hardly a reliable place to derive information.[/QUOTE]

Well said..........

maco2envy 07-29-2018 12:18 AM

[QUOTE=Om3n;175475]If there was one person who is worthy of being credited as the biggest Bulgarian propagandist in internet history it would have to be [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Jingiby&offset=&limit=500&target=Jingiby][B]this guy[/B][/url]. He trolls Wikipedia articles relating to Macedonian history and the Macedonians, making sure that it conforms to the Bulgarian paradigm which he has inculcated in people to be the "neutral" view of international scholarship and that the Macedonian view belongs to Communist-influenced fringe theorists in the Republic of Macedonia. There is seemingly not a day that goes by that he doesn't make an edit and this guy has been active for over a decade...

It seems that over the years he has succeeded in virtually ridding Wikipedia of editors contributing information contrary to his beliefs, and he recently created and wrote an article titled "[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historiography_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia][b]Historiography in the Republic of Macedonia[/b][/url]" (July 5) which is little more than a polemic against Macedonian nationhood with a hodgepodge of the same rhetoric and sources he's been touting since I was a contributor back in my high school days.

It is for this these reasons that so many Wikipedia articles in this field read more like an agenda to prove what ethnicity someone was rather than objectively focusing on their merits. I wrote this so you that you may understand what kind of people we're dealing with and why Wikipedia is hardly a reliable place to derive information.[/QUOTE]

Great find Om3n. Narrowing it down to common culprits is always good help. But man, this bastard is editing/creating 10 articles on a daily basis. I think the best thing to do is try to report this asshole (somehow) as what he is doing is clearly against wikipedia guidelines:

[QUOTE]... content hosted in Wikipedia is not for:

Advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment of any kind: commercial, political, scientific, religious, national, sports-related, or otherwise. An article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to describe the topic from a neutral point of view. You might wish to start a blog or visit a forum if you want to convince people of the merits of your opinions.

...[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox_or_means_of_promotion"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox_or_means_of_promotion[/URL]

Edit: wow this guy has been spreading disinformation on wikipedia since 2007...

Om3n 07-29-2018 10:16 AM

Consider [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikola_Karev&diff=prev&oldid=852331035][b]this edit[/b][/url] he made to the article of Nikola Karev. After the sentence "he is considered a Bulgarian hero in Bulgaria", he removed "and a Macedonian hero in Macedonia" and his rationale for the edit is "minor tweaks to NPOV" (neutral point of view).

If you look at the article itself, it has a picture with the caption "Excerpt from the photograph of the 19001901 graduates, among whom was Nikola Karev, from the Bulgarian Gymnasium in Bitola." The picture doesn't show Nikola Karev nor most of graduates but is merely a crop of the board to signify that it says "Bulg." implying Karev's ethnicity. It is hard to believe how truly deluded and pathetic some people can be.

maco2envy 07-30-2018 06:07 AM

I've got a gut feeling that this guy is being paid, or that he is just a massive loser. That level of obsession is just unhealthy.

Liberator of Makedonija 07-30-2018 06:56 AM

[QUOTE=maco2envy;175520]I've got a gut feeling that this guy is being paid, or that he is just a massive loser. That level of obsession is just unhealthy.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, who else could dedicate that time?


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