[QUOTE] Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (1646-1716), who literally said: "That the [B]Illyrian s (= Slavs) and Celts[/B] borrowed their linguistic elements to the ([I]modern[/I]) Albanian language..."[/QUOTE]

Hi Carlin, I cannot make sense of "borrowed to", will you please clarify this for me? i.e. Who or what is doing the borrowing?

By the way the Suda refers to these people
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania[/URL]

[B]Albanian language parallels with the Balto-Slavic languages[/B]

Gustav Mayer was the first and, after him, all other scholars, who compared the Albanian language with the Balto-Slavic, came to the conclusion that the Albanian language is the brother of Lithuanian. So, as an example, Norbert Jokl, known as an undoubted friend of the Albanian people. He says that the Albanian language has strong similarities with the Balto-Slavic languages, as well as with the Hungarian-Finnish languages.

In the field of vocabulary, Albanian Shaban Demiraj cites many words, to which we attach many words from ALBANIAN ETYMOLOGICAL DICTIONARY, just enough to get an idea of ​​this similarity:


[B]Albanian – Lithuanian[/B]


acar – ašrus

ajkë – alkti

amull – mulve

arë – àra (Latvian)



bal – balas, bàls (lat.)

baltë – baltas

bli – blindis

boj – bëgti

botë – butìs

bredh – brendù

brez – briaunà

buj – bundù

buzë – bude



cermë – sarma (lat.)

citë – kietas



çars – skìrti

çjerr – sliriù



dak – dvekti

dangë – danga (lat.)

dash – dausos

dell – gysla

derdh – dardeti

dikë – dykas

djal – dels (lat.)

djeg – degù

dra – dradzi (lat.)

dranga – drangan

dre – draudžiu, druvas (lat.)

dregë – dìrginti

duaj – dùona

dhemb – žembiù



end – indas

err – aušrà

esh – ežys

et – alkti



fishkem – pùškas

flak – lekiù

flaškët – plokščias

fletë – lekiù

fryj –sprugstu



galamsh, lamsh – lemesis (lat.)

gardh – gardas

gdhij – diena

ger – gauras

gërdhij – grendžiu

gërshas – giriù

gledhë – glodus

gobellë – gaubti

grah – giriù

grave – griovà, grava (lat.)

grerë, gremzë – šuršuo

grellë – gurklys

grih – griejù

grij – geriù

grimë – geriù

grunë – žìrnis

grykë – griva

guall – galvà

gur – girià



gjaj – labas

gjak – sakai

gjalmë – iš-selpineti

gjashtë – galas

gjerë – jùosti

gjuhë – galsas

gjysmë – jumis (lat.)



hale – skalà

harr – skiriù

hime – skiemuo

hip – kùpti

humb – skumbù

hurdhë – verdu

hyj – ateivis



iki – eiki

imtë – isas



jargë – aržùs

jerm – erms (lat.)

josh – jaudinti

ju – jus



kabisht – kabeti

kalesh – laiska

karmë – kerpù

karpë – karpa

kep – kapiù

ketër – kuokas

këpurdhë – kèpurë

kërtyl – tulas

kërrabë – kerù

kësen – kenkiù

kështallë – stalas

kollë – kosulys

korr – kasù

kreh – grebti

krimb – kìrmis

kripë – kraupùs

kungull – kunkulas

kulpër – kìlpa



llënjës – slienas

llurbë – laure

llup – lùpti, lupt (lat.)



la, lë – laîst (lat.)

lag – liuga

landë – lenta

lapë – lapas

latë – lopeta

leh – loju

lej – leisti

lerë – laure

lesh – laiškas

lëpushë – lapas

lig (i) – ligà

lilë – leilas

lind – leisti

lingë – linge

lopë – luops (lat.)

loqe – liaukà

lumak – lubà

lus – lugoti, lùndzu (lat.)

lyp – liepiù



majë – mala (lat.)

mal – malà

mat – matuju

meh, mef – maût (lat.)

mëllenjë – melns (lat.)

mërshë – mirti

mitë – mietas

mjedhër – medis

mjegull – miglà

mjekër – smakras

mjel – melžiu

modhull – mažùlis

mot – metas

motër – mote

murg – margas



natë – naktìs

ndes – dàkyti

ndulkem – tekliù

ndjek – tekù

ngrij – gliejù

ngrydh – gružiu

ngrys – krauju

ngul – kùlti

ngus – kauti

ngjis – gliejù



pellë – pèšti

pelq – pelce (lat.)

pjalm – pelenai

pjerdh – pérdžiu

plak – pilkas

plas – platùs

plish – pl(i)ušìs

plogësht – plokščias

purth – purvas



qas – kečiù

qek – kaceti (lat.)

qersë – kùrkt (lat.)

qetë – šlaitas

qeth – kaisti

qipi – kaupos

qos – kliaudyti

qyl – kula



rjep – repti

rys – rauti

ryej – raundà



rrag – srùoga

rrek – reikà

rrime – varmas

rroj – roju

rryp – verpti



samë – šuo

sôr – sausas

sqaq – kekos

sutë – šùkos

sy – akì



shkas – skàsti

shosh – sijoju

shkas – skantu

shkrabë – skrebeti

shkul – keliù

shkund – skutù

shorr – seijù

shpih – peikiù

shtagë – stega (lat.)

shtalbër – stulbas

shtang – stengiu

shteg – staiga (lat.)

shtoj – stoju

shtrohë – straja (lat.)



tanë, tërë – tvinti, tvanas

tall – tylù

ter – tauras

teshë – tašyti

trashë – trašùs

trys – truniù



thaj – sausas

thekë – šakà

thirr – širvas

thjermë – širmas

thnegël – angis



ujk – vilkas



vang, vëng – vìngis

vdes – rekù

verzë – varle

vesh – ausis

vilas – su-valyti

vjehërr – šuras

vjel – valyti

vjerr – veriù

vjeshtë – su-valyti

vonë – vojus



zorrë – žarna

zot – viešpats

zverk – veriù

zvjerdh – veržiù


The cited lexical concordances are apparently not the only ones.

At first glance, some Lithuanian words do not seem to have anything to do with Albanian words. As an example, we mention rrag - srùoga, fryj - sprugstu and zot - viešpats. But, if we compare the Lithuanian equivalent with the proto-Albanian form *srauga - srùoga, *sprugnja - sprugstu and *w(i)tšpati - viešpats, we will see that we are dealing with the same words.



[url]https://iskra.co/reagovanja/akademik-kaplan-burovic-albanci-nisu-iliri-dokumenta-argumenti-cinjenice-i-svedocanstva/[/url]

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;183951]By the way the Suda refers to these people
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania[/URL][/QUOTE]

Could you please elaborate?

In another Suda version it refers to Albanians as an Italian people. I don't know if "this error" was due to a copying error or if it was intentional?

These are the "Gallic" (more correctly) Galatian people and where the (Eastern) Galatia was.

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia[/URL]

I had found an essay having ALL references to Albanian in chronological order (including even women with the name Albania), but (I'm sorry) I can't locate it anymore. It was clear that all early references to Albania (starting from classical antiquity and all the way to Suida which is 1100 AD) refered to this "Albania" of Asia.

1929, Serbian author Glisha Elezovic on the [I][B]Islamic Stories on the Arabic origin: Albanians, Lazians, Abazgians and Circassians[/B][/I].

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Vzu8a82.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/cdkFneW.png[/img]

Sorin Paliga about the origins of Albanians (2014):

One more detail, hopefully relevant: the Albanians are also the heirs of those Sclaveni of the 6th century, as proved by ethnonym shqipe 'Albanian‘, shqip (adj.), see a more detailed discussion in Paliga and Teodor 2009: 80-84. To add here the brief discussion in the etymological dictionary of Albanian by Vladimir Orel (1998). Other research in the field also proves what we wrote in Paliga and Teodor 2009, but also earlier: Alb. Shqipe, Shqiptar etc. also reflects a late, post-classical form sclavus, a variant *skljab being reconstructable for Albanian. Orel (1998: 434) assumes that shqipe would be a calque after the Slavic parallel slověne ‗Slavs‘ as derived from slovo ‗word‘, in Albanian shqipoj ‗to speak clearly = to speak in our language‘ – Shqipe, Shqiptar. Thus put, the whole issue has no sense. It is not the first and last time when speakers of a given language associate ‗speaking in their own language‘ with the idea ‗to speak clearly‘, i.e. ‗to speak in a language we can understand‘. That was the motivation of the parallel slověne – slovo, also magyar ‗Hungarian‘ – magyaráz(ni) ‗to speak clearly‘ (= to speak in our langue), shqipe ‗Albanian‘ – shqipoj ‗to speak clearly‘ etc. Therefore, the parallel shqipe – shqipoj cannot be based on a calque, this is difficult to reconstruct at a popular level in those times or later; this is an internal, logical derivation based on the obvious and frequently attested reality ‗ours speak a language we can understand‘ versus ‗the others, who speak a language we cannot understand‘ = they are dumb (cf. Slavic něm- ‗dumb‘ used for referring to the němьcь, lit. ‗the dumb ones‘) or speak with a stutter (cf. Greek barbaros, lit. ‗those who stutter‘) etc. Such extralinguistic realities make part of a correct interpretation of the facts, too.

The Albanians are, therefore, another ‗Sclavenic group‘, but – we cannot be very far from reality – of Thracian origin, most probably of Carpian origin, as I. I. Russu brilliantly suggested as early as 1982. Unfortunately, it was difficult to have a serious debate of his hypothesis in those days1 . They moved NEXT TO the Slavs proprie dictu, but not melting into their groups. This proves that the FIRST Slavic move occurred indeed from north to south following the courses of Siret and Prut rivers, then crossing the Danube. Perhaps the Proto-Albanians preceded the Slavic movement, this explaining why they settled in the remotest location, beyond the extremity of the southwest Slavs. They were also Sclaveni, post-classical colloquial form sclavi > Romanian șchiau, șchei, Albanian shqipe. For the Byzantines, they were Sclaveni, Sklavenoi, the new enemies coming from the north. We may be sure that, at the beginning at least, the Byzantines made no linguistic difference between the Proto-Albanians and the rest of the Sclaveni, they were all foreign enemies. disregarding the language they spoke.

In the preface of his work, Orel (1998: X) assumes that the Albanian homeland may be located in Dacia Ripensis, specifically the Beskydy, Polish Bieszczady mountains. The Proto‑ Albanians had, beyond any doubt, a more northern origin, and we cannot hesitate to assume a homeland beyond the Danube. It is yet impossible to accept the area suggested by Orel, as there is no archaeological proof or any other reasonable proof, of any kind, allowing to accept the Beskydy as the Proto-Albanian homeland. The obvious similarities between Romanian and Albanian, but also the differences, show that there must have been a vicinity, which must have been, precisely, the Moldavian plain and the East Carpathians, with intrusions in the Transylvanian plateau after the Roman withdrawal in 274. This location does indeed make sense, and is supported by all the documents regarding the ‗Carpian issue‘ after the Roman conquest of Dacia in 105-106.

[url]http://www.romanoslavica.ro/revista/46.4.%20de%20toate.pdf[/url]

[B]Paliga is a supporter of the northern Balkan (Balkan-Carpathian, Transdanubian) theory of the origin of Albanians[/B]. Contrary to Orel's hypotheses about the Beskids, but on the verge of his thoughts, Paliga sees the primordial area of the proto-Albanian language in the [B]Moldavian plain[/B], beyond the eastern Carpathians; [B]they entered Erdely/Transylvania during the Roman withdrawal in 274 AD[/B]. Their origin is specifically related to the [B]Carps[/B].

URL:
[url]https://twitter.com/UZI9mmmm/status/1398434551127363593[/url]

[I]"1939 UK Foreign Office report on Albania is a fascinating document. It lists the prominent people, one of whom is Albanianised/assimilated "Kutzo-Vlach" (Aromanian) Dimitri Beratti..."[/I]

URL:
[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/UZI9mmmm/status/1398832617387028480[/url]

1903 US FRONT PAGE STORY: "Albanian bands descended upon town of Okhrida [Ohrid] situated on east banks of lake of that name, captured it & proceeded to put to the sword all the Christians. There was a terrible slaughter, the people defending themselves as best they could"

[img]https://i.imgur.com/I9lrjR3.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/7z9iFKk.jpg[/img]
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