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Carlin 07-03-2020 09:18 AM


New Zealand press archive

1941 New Zealand press article reports - Macedonians are just Macedonians and hate Nazi Germany & Fascist Italy; they hate the Bulgarian rulers



Carlin 07-05-2020 12:29 PM

During the Bulgarian occupation of Macedonia in WW2, the Bitola police superintendent ordered the confiscation of badges that carried the inscription [B]"Independent Macedonia"[/B], worn by members of the local Macedonian organization Ilinden.

The superintendent directed his subordinates to replace the "confusing" badges with new ones that didn't carry the inscription "Independent Macedonia".



Carlin 07-10-2020 12:55 PM

1915 Bulgarian occupation terror was so bad during WW1 that Macedonians wanted British Imperial rule

The Mail (Adelaide, South Australia) - 27 Nov 1915 - Page 1:

Quote: "The country was infested with lawless Bulgarians. The Macedonians hate the Bulgars, and ask to be governed by England and France, who will, they say, make them wealthy."

Carlin 07-11-2020 09:30 AM


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Karposh 08-03-2020 07:15 AM

I was having at a look at the Wikipedia entry on the Prespa village of German in Aegean Macedonia (Agios Germanos), just out of curiosity, when I decided to take a look at the Talk page of the same entry. I always make a point of having a look at the latest bullshit being spouted on these “Talk” pages where Macedonian topics are concerned. And, surprise, surprise, the usual Bulgarian suspects, serial editing pests, Jingiby and Laveol were at it again. I was pleasantly surprised, however, by the contrary views being expressed by “Lunch for Two”, who, I can only presume is a Macedonian editor in this debate, and who questioned the logic of these two clowns when it comes to the self-identification of Macedonians during the 19th Century. I think the Macedonian editor stumped these two Bulgarian idiots as they had nothing further to add to the debate, which ended abruptly back in September 2011. Here is some of that debate:

[B]Lunch for Two[/B][I] 10:57, 27 September 2011[/I] (UTC): Laveol, to quote Kanchov, one of the leading Bulgarians of the time: "Местните българи и куцовласи, които живеят в пределите на Македония се наричат сами македонци и околните народи ги зовът тъй. Турците и арнаутите не се казватъ македонци, но попитани от къде са, отговарят: от Македония... така също и гърците, които живеят по южните области, не се казватъ македонци..." By his own admission these are people who call themselves "Macedonians". Bulgarians and Greeks from Macedonia also call themselves Macedonians, however this is only a regional affiliation. It seems unusual for Kanchov to say, as he does, that Bulgarians have this regional affiliation but the Greeks do not. Surely, if he was talking about regional affiliation he would say that Bulgarians and Greeks call themselves Macedonians. This is because in this instance the "Bulgarians" are calling themselves "Macedonians" in an ethnic sense. Furthermore, it seems unusual for the surrounding ethnicities (Turks, Greeks, Albanians, Roma presumably) to call these people "Macedonians" if they were in fact ethnic Bulgarians.
Jingiby and Laveol, I am genuinely interested in how you can somehow interpret this statement as discussing self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians from Macedonia. Surely if it was only a regional designation, then Greeks would also be included in the same category? (Would they be not?) Also, if they were indeed ethnic Bulgarians, then why would the surrounding ethnicities call, them specifically, "Macedonians"?, If we are to take this view then they would in fact be as "Macedonian" as each other, and would call each other by their respective ethnicities. Why, if they were ethnic Bulgarians, would they be called Macedonians by their neighbours?

[B]Laveol [/B][I]11:08, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[/I]: In the same way people call me Macedonian only because I come from the region of Macedonia. I think you have troubles with part of the text. The part you chose to quote says that Greeks from the Southern part of the region do not call themselves that way. Turks have no such regional identity, why should they be calling themselves Macedonians? Do you get what he is trying to explain? He wants to put exact boundaries on the term Macedonia. And the only way of doing so is using the regional self-identification of the people living there. And it does not work with Greeks because the ones in the Southern part of the region do not refer to themselves as Macedonians. Read the whole thing, not just the intro about the geography of the region.

[B]Lunch for Two[/B] [I]11:36, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[/I]: Do Turks, Greeks, Albanians and Serbs (okolni narodi) call you simply Macedonian? Surely they do not, logically you would be first referred to as Bulgarian, then as a Bulgarian from the region of Macedonia. I understand what he is trying to say, and he says it clearly. What he is saying is that the locals call themselves Macedonians, and the others around them also call them that. If this was not an ethnic designation, then why would a person from a different ethnicity apply a regional and not ethnic designation?

[B]Jingby[/B] [I]11:46, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[/I]: Laveol, stop talk to him. It will be for nothing. He does not formate any constructive sentence in this conversation. Only POV-pushing.

[B]Lunch for Two[/B] [I]12:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[/I]: Jingiby, I dont have a problem discussing so long as you can show valid and logical reasoning. Neither you nor Laveol has been able to discredit Kanchov's comments. If you can show from a reasonable perspective (one which is not biased by our own Balkan related beliefs) that by his own admission the locals viewed themselves as Macedonians, then I will be more than happy to accept your reasoning.[/QUOTE]

Carlin 08-05-2020 01:34 PM

(ДОКУМЕНТ) Тодор Живков: Подготвени сме да ја признаеме македонската нација без временско определување

Една средба во Будимпешта во 1970 година меѓу тогашниот бугарски лидер Тодор Живков и Киро Глигоров, подоцна прв претседател на самостојна Македонија, можела и требала да претставува пресвртница во тогашните југословенско-бугарски односи. Но, за жал, познатата геј-политика на Бугарија ја прокоцкала и таа можност, а работите биле стигнати до ниво на подготвена нацрт-декларација, што требало да ја потпишат Маршалот Тито и Живков. А, со неа, меѓу другото, требало да се решат две суштински прашања и за македонско-бугарските односи.

Full article here:

Carlin 11-03-2020 10:27 PM

1933 Australian court trial involving Bulgarian boss who underpaid workers in Melbourne, lists Macedonians as separate to Greeks, Bulgars & Yugoslavs

The Argus (Melbourne) 2 Aug 1933 - Page 9


Carlin 11-19-2020 12:05 AM

In her book "The Women of Turkey and Their Folklore", Lucy Garnett states that the Bulgarians, excluding those of Rumelia (Macedonia and Thrace), make up two distinct types: the "Aryan Slav" and the "non-Aryan Tatar". And that those of Rumelia are mixed with Greeks and Thracians

Carlin 11-19-2020 12:07 AM

"It is certain that the bulk of the Macedonian population is Slav - it is by no means certain that it is Bulgar... There is a Macedonian language and a Macedonian race... independent of either [Bulgarian or Serbian]."

* Harold Temperley, "History of Serbia" (1919) pp. 309-310

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