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Carlin 06-09-2018 09:54 PM

[url=https://imgur.com/g6LjYFM][img]http://i.imgur.com/g6LjYFM.png[/img][/url]

Liberator of Makedonija 06-17-2018 03:39 AM

VMRO document depicting the Bulgarian flag, real or fake?

[IMG]https://vgy.me/qkJjcg.jpg[/IMG]

Bill77 06-17-2018 04:20 AM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;174058]VMRO document depicting the Bulgarian flag, real or fake?

[IMG]https://vgy.me/qkJjcg.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]How is that the Bulgarian flag? Because it has horizontal tricolors?

This has been discussed before. Being of non-colour document, Have a look at the shades and work out what is wrong with it being the Bulgarian flag.


But more importantly, a more relevant and serious issue..... what's your opinion on the name change agreement?
You have not posted once (well not in recent times) in the "Name Change Agreed to be Greece and Macedonia" thread.

Liberator of Makedonija 06-17-2018 05:25 AM

[QUOTE=Bill77;174068]How is that the Bulgarian flag? Because it has horizontal tricolors?

This has been discussed before. Being of non-colour document, Have a look at the shades and work out what is wrong with it being the Bulgarian flag.


But more importantly, a more relevant and serious issue..... what's your opinion on the name change agreement?
You have not posted once (well not in recent times) in the "Name Change Agreed to be Greece and Macedonia" thread.[/QUOTE]


If it is not the Bulgarian flag, which flag is it?

Also that isn't relevant to this thread so will not answer here but can't handle that thread anymore, it's too stressful.

Bill77 06-17-2018 05:58 AM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;174080]If it is not the Bulgarian flag, which flag is it?

Also that isn't relevant to this thread so will not answer here but can't handle that thread anymore, it's too stressful.[/QUOTE] Obviously, it was a VMRO flag. The question is, what colors were those horizontal tricolors.
Being a non-colored image...... all you can work on is tones. In a black and white or monochrome image, white, or yellow would look the same. Therefore, the top horizontal portion of this suggested Bulgarian flag is inconclusive. But what is more conclusive (to me anyway), is the bottom horizontal portion of the flag in that document. It is very dark, and very distinctive to the center portion. In a black and white image, Green and Red (as in the Bulgarian flag), would not have tones that far apart. The bottom horizontal portion looks extremely dark, therefore its more likely than not to be "Black". And black represents "Smrt" as in the motto "Sloboda ili Smrt" which would make more sense in it being black.

I hope i made sense.

Also, i didn't expect you to answer my second question in this thread, i was just curious as to why i can't find your opinion with this naming saga in the appropriate thread.

Liberator of Makedonija 06-17-2018 09:40 AM

[QUOTE=Bill77;174084]Obviously, it was a VMRO flag. The question is, what colors were those horizontal tricolors.
Being a non-colored image...... all you can work on is tones. In a black and white or monochrome image, white, or yellow would look the same. Therefore, the top horizontal portion of this suggested Bulgarian flag is inconclusive. But what is more conclusive (to me anyway), is the bottom horizontal portion of the flag in that document. It is very dark, and very distinctive to the center portion. In a black and white image, Green and Red (as in the Bulgarian flag), would not have tones that far apart. The bottom horizontal portion looks extremely dark, therefore its more likely than not to be "Black". And black represents "Smrt" as in the motto "Sloboda ili Smrt" which would make more sense in it being black.

I hope i made sense.

Also, i didn't expect you to answer my second question in this thread, i was just curious as to why i can't find your opinion with this naming saga in the appropriate thread.[/QUOTE]


Interesting viewpoint, the only thing that doesn't convince me is that I have never seen a VMRO flag/banner that is tricolour in nature and so it makes it hard for me to believe this isn't the flag of another country, whether that be Bulgaria or even Russia. I do agree that the bottom line appears too dark to be red which would mean that it cannot be the Bulgarian flag. Would love to know what the flag is meant to be, see if we can dig up some more.

I hear about the name-change every day and I don't think there's anything I can say in that thread that hasn't already been said, I'm just as aggrovated as everyone one.

Carlin 07-12-2018 11:36 PM

The following comes from a Bulgarian book "Factors of the Bulgarian Revival 1600-1830" written by Hristo Gandev.

According to the testimony of Peter Bogdan, who visited the city of Tarnovo in [B]1640[/B], [B]the citizens spoke [U]as much Greek[/U] as they did Bulgarian[/B]. Significant is Bogdan's surprise and explanation in this case. He says:

[COLOR="Blue"][B]"[B]The Bulgarians preserve this Greek tongue in Bulgaria[/B], and Greece is far from Tarnovo. I believe that since this city was a royal (tsarist) town, [B]this tongue is preserved as more urban[/B]."[/B][/COLOR]

From the old Metropolitan convent of Tarnovo (18th century) it can be seen that the city and the surrounding population have been conducting their own divorces, inheritances, transfers, merchant deals and gifts before the metropolitan court [B]in the Greek language[/B].

In other towns such as Pazardzhik, Hristo Gandev states that the people were affected by the Greek civil morals, the Greek tongue and Greek cultural consciousness. The Bulgarians supported the local bishopric.

In general, the name "Bulgarian"/"Bulgarians" was heard quite rarely throughout the country, and in the public sphere it meant very little.

Liberator of Makedonija 07-13-2018 10:30 AM

Bulgarians love to point out all the 19th century writers that considered Macedonian to be a dialect of Bulgarian, don't think they'd like this:

[I]...the fact that it was not until 1822 that Vuk Karadzic convinced the the eminent Slavist Jozef Dubrovsky that Bulgarian was not a dialect of Serbian...[/I]

-Victor Friedman

Liberator of Makedonija 07-13-2018 10:51 AM

[I]As concerns the language of Mr. Jordan, anyone can see that it is so different from our written and spoken language, so that to a person reading it for the first time it will appear not only incomprehensible but completely different.......May the residents of Skopje forgive us, along with those speak a similar language; since they do not understand our language nor can they speak it.[/I]


Quoted from #55 of [I]Carigradski Vestnik[/I], dated 6 October 1851. Written by the editor as an attack on the literary works of Jordan Hadzi Konstantinov-Dzinot.

Liberator of Makedonija 07-16-2018 12:28 AM

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