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Risto the Great 04-16-2018 07:38 PM

Does it matter? Greek was only finally codified in 1977.

Liberator of Makedonija 04-17-2018 01:05 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;172891]Does it matter? Greek was only finally codified in 1977.[/QUOTE]

Don't think it's a matter of that.

Risto the Great 04-17-2018 03:57 AM

You're wondering why they had a few goes at it?

Liberator of Makedonija 05-30-2018 10:55 PM

Article on the history of the Bulgarian label and how modern Bulgaria has twisted its historical meaning:

[url]http://www.wmc-a.com/history-of-the-bulgarian-label/[/url]

maco2envy 06-02-2018 08:32 PM

Okay back to this picture:

[IMG]https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34065896_199585190675918_6116949318394970112_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=42c5307c3f191eab6f5fa91cc2261efb&oe=5BBBE396[/IMG]

And looking at:

[IMG]https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34108599_199585254009245_4305459798024912896_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=995e9b30c6d2e06b0611549d5319c0cb&oe=5BBCEDD2[/IMG]

It's pretty obvious that the location of the photo is in Sophia, Bulgaria, or more precisely here:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/oBAJAAX.jpg[/IMG]

Is it possible for someone with a background in digital image forensics to do some analysis on:
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Bulgarian_Macedonians.jpg[/IMG]
to see whether the sign is cropped, the above image is the one wikipedia uses.

For example as an amature, I ran an ELA program and got this:
[IMG]http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=5952c3bc8df82c095a482d280f9e3b7a9f8d1c76.43191&fmt=ela[/IMG]
Now given that the banner with united macedonia is a flat surface, we have the fact: "Regardless of the actual color of the surface, all flat surfaces should have about the same coloring under ELA" (Source: Fotoforenics). This is obviously not the case with that sign in question.

Also we need to update this wikipedia articles that make incorrect reference to the image:

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Bulgaria_during_World_War_II"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Bulgaria_during_World_War_II[/URL]

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_in_Yugoslav_Macedonia"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_in_Yugoslav_Macedonia[/URL]

tchaiku 06-03-2018 01:45 AM

Did you saw the post from Niko?
[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=172876#post172876[/url]

maco2envy 06-03-2018 02:36 AM

Yes, Niko pinpointed the true location of the photo, although we still don't have solid evidence that the 'one nation, one king, one kingdom' sign is fake. This is being interpreted by the Bulgarians as Macedonians being pro-unification with Bulgaria (see those wikipedia articles I posted)

One of those two photos aren't real (or even both). In the end, I don't think it really matter whether the sign is real or fake, but the most important thing is that the photo was taken in the Bulgarian capital and not Macedonia, as Niko pointed out.

Edit: Yeah I think Niko is correct, It seems that the photo without the sign has nothing with higher resolution on the internet which indicates it's most likely fake. Regardless, the Bulgarians are putting their sick twist on it.

Liberator of Makedonija 06-03-2018 03:05 AM

[QUOTE=maco2envy;173662]Okay back to this picture:

[IMG]https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34065896_199585190675918_6116949318394970112_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=42c5307c3f191eab6f5fa91cc2261efb&oe=5BBBE396[/IMG]

And looking at:

[IMG]https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34108599_199585254009245_4305459798024912896_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=995e9b30c6d2e06b0611549d5319c0cb&oe=5BBCEDD2[/IMG]

It's pretty obvious that the location of the photo is in Sophia, Bulgaria, or more precisely here:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/oBAJAAX.jpg[/IMG]

Is it possible for someone with a background in digital image forensics to do some analysis on:
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Bulgarian_Macedonians.jpg[/IMG]
to see whether the sign is cropped, the above image is the one wikipedia uses.

For example as an amature, I ran an ELA program and got this:
[IMG]http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=5952c3bc8df82c095a482d280f9e3b7a9f8d1c76.43191&fmt=ela[/IMG]
Now given that the banner with united macedonia is a flat surface, we have the fact: "Regardless of the actual color of the surface, all flat surfaces should have about the same coloring under ELA" (Source: Fotoforenics). This is obviously not the case with that sign in question.

Also we need to update this wikipedia articles that make incorrect reference to the image:

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Bulgaria_during_World_War_II"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Bulgaria_during_World_War_II[/URL]

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_in_Yugoslav_Macedonia"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_in_Yugoslav_Macedonia[/URL][/QUOTE]



So what are these findings suggesting?

maco2envy 06-03-2018 03:07 AM

Nothing really apart from the location of the photo which was already discussed. The sign is likely to be real

maco2envy 06-03-2018 03:19 AM

Actually Niko's finding indicate the following academic source is incorrect and maybe some of its accompanying references:

[QUOTE]When German troops advanced into Vardar (Yugoslav) Macedonia in April 1941, the Macedonians greeted the victors with great enthusiasm. Crowds [B]in Skopie[/B], the provincial capital, displayed a banner which, paraphrasing the German slogan, hailed the unification of Macedonia and Bulgaria:[B] “One people, one Tsar, one kingdom.”[/B] [1] The citizens gave an even more tumultuous welcome to the Bulgarian troops that entered Macedonia on April 19, 1941. [2] The warm reception accorded the Bulgarian soldiers was in large part the result of Macedonian resentment at three decades of Serbian dominance. “Administrative brutality, Serbian chauvinism, political corruption, and economic exploitation were more flagrant in Macedonia than in any other part of Yugoslavia.”[/QUOTE]

Page 123 of Bulgaria during the Second World War by Marshall Lee Miller. This is the source that was referenced in the wikipedia articles
Edit: url for the book: [URL="http://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/mmb/mmb_2.htm#11_2"]http://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/mmb/mmb_2.htm#11_2[/URL]


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