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Liberator of Makedonija 05-04-2017 11:22 PM

Roger Casement: Fact or Fiction?
 
Some of you may be aware that I am not only Macedonian, but I am also Irish. As such, I got quite the shock when I discovered the famous quote by Roger Casement; '[I]I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented[/I]'. Apparently spoken before being hung by the British for his role in the Easter Rising of 1916. This is something that obviously gets-to-me in a very personal way and I am looking for clarification of its authenticity. If anyone has any evidence of this being said, please provide it!

Gocka 05-04-2017 11:26 PM

Its true, he said that. Try and search the forum, I'm certain I've seen a source here somewhere.

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;168481]Some of you may be aware that I am not only Macedonian, but I am also Irish. As such, I got quite the shock when I discovered the famous quote by Roger Casement; '[I]I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented[/I]'. Apparently spoken before being hung by the British for his role in the Easter Rising of 1916. This is something that obviously gets-to-me in a very personal way and I am looking for clarification of its authenticity. If anyone has any evidence of this being said, please provide it![/QUOTE]

Liberator of Makedonija 05-04-2017 11:38 PM

[QUOTE=Gocka;168482]Its true, he said that. Try and search the forum, I'm certain I've seen a source here somewhere.[/QUOTE]

Problem with searching the forum is that the search bar doesn't work

Gocka 05-05-2017 12:03 AM

From the book “Macedonia and Greece: The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation” by John Shea, 1997, page 8.

Liberator of Makedonija 05-05-2017 12:49 AM

[QUOTE=Gocka;168486]From the book “Macedonia and Greece: The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation” by John Shea, 1997, page 8.[/QUOTE]

That's how I found out about the quote, I started reading the book last night but John Shea doesn't state where he got that information from.

Phoenix 05-05-2017 12:51 AM

There's also this...

"...The moral failure of Turkey, her inability to govern her Christian peoples is only the pretext: but just as the moral argument brings its strange revenges and shows an Ireland that has suffered all that Macedonia has suffered, and this at the hands of Christians, and not of Moslems, so the triumph of the Balkan Allies, far from benefiting Britain, must, in the end, react to her detriment..."

The Crime Against Europe - A Possible Outcome of the War of 1914

Roger Casement

p50

[url]https://www.gutenberg.org/files/14728/14728-h/14728-h.htm[/url]

Gocka 05-09-2017 07:43 AM

Then it will take some digging on your part :001_smile:

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;168487]That's how I found out about the quote, I started reading the book last night but John Shea doesn't state where he got that information from.[/QUOTE]

Liberator of Makedonija 05-09-2017 08:36 AM

Unfortunately I have found nothing.

vicsinad 05-09-2017 08:51 AM

The earliest reference to that quote I can find on the internet comes from "Macedonian Review: Volume 16-17" published in 1986 by "Kulturen Zhivot". The quote is on page 252 in that book, and offers a citation (citation 56) but I don't have access to the citations page.

[URL="https://books.google.com/books?id=eyppAAAAMAAJ&q=%22i+know+of+two+tragic+histories%22&dq=%22i+know+of+two+tragic+histories%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiskf-n-eLTAhVGPCYKHbylDw8Q6AEIKDAB"]https://books.google.com/books?id=eyppAAAAMAAJ&q=%22i+know+of+two+tragic+histories%22&dq=%22i+know+of+two+tragic+histories%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiskf-n-eLTAhVGPCYKHbylDw8Q6AEIKDAB[/URL]

Gocka 05-09-2017 09:11 AM

Mozok si.

Well Liberator, I think you have a good place to start.

[QUOTE=vicsinad;168609]The earliest reference to that quote I can find on the internet comes from "Macedonian Review: Volume 16-17" published in 1986 by "Kulturen Zhivot". The quote is on page 252 in that book, and offers a citation (citation 56) but I don't have access to the citations page.

[URL="https://books.google.com/books?id=eyppAAAAMAAJ&q=%22i+know+of+two+tragic+histories%22&dq=%22i+know+of+two+tragic+histories%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiskf-n-eLTAhVGPCYKHbylDw8Q6AEIKDAB"]https://books.google.com/books?id=eyppAAAAMAAJ&q=%22i+know+of+two+tragic+histories%22&dq=%22i+know+of+two+tragic+histories%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiskf-n-eLTAhVGPCYKHbylDw8Q6AEIKDAB[/URL][/QUOTE]

Liberator of Makedonija 05-09-2017 06:32 PM

Haha I wonder what my chances of finding an English-language copy of that is.

Gocka 05-09-2017 10:08 PM

It will be a good opportunity to learn to read Macedonian :) its not that hard to learn honestly.

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;168661]Haha I wonder what my chances of finding an English-language copy of that is.[/QUOTE]

Liberator of Makedonija 05-10-2017 12:13 AM

[QUOTE=Gocka;168673]It will be a good opportunity to learn to read Macedonian :) its not that hard to learn honestly.[/QUOTE]

I've been studying it for a while but it's nowhere near good enough to read a book on something as complex as history and culture

vicsinad 05-10-2017 05:15 AM

[QUOTE=Gocka;168673]It will be a good opportunity to learn to read Macedonian :) its not that hard to learn honestly.[/QUOTE]


No need for him to learn Macedonian...the book is in English!

But learn Macedonian...and Irish :)

Liberator of Makedonija 05-10-2017 07:05 AM

[QUOTE=vicsinad;168695]No need for him to learn Macedonian...the book is in English!

But learn Macedonian...and Irish :)[/QUOTE]

Irish has little practical value in this modern world. It's use in Ireland itself is very limited.

Gocka 05-10-2017 07:41 AM

Abe so ti velem..... Mozok!

[QUOTE=vicsinad;168695]No need for him to learn Macedonian...the book is in English!

But learn Macedonian...and Irish :)[/QUOTE]

vicsinad 05-10-2017 07:47 AM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;168704]Irish has little practical value in this modern world. It's use in Ireland itself is very limited.[/QUOTE]

It has as much value as you want to give it.



Gocka:

[QUOTE]Abe so ti velem..... Mozok!
[/QUOTE]

Aj ushte ednosh! :)

Rogi 02-08-2018 06:19 PM

Did you ever find anything further on this?

Liberator of Makedonija 02-11-2018 08:49 AM

[QUOTE=Rogi;171855]Did you ever find anything further on this?[/QUOTE]

Always leads back to the book we all read it from, not sure where the author found it. Still love to find out.


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