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  • Epirot
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    • Mar 2010
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    Folklove : Salvation of the local mass culture

    Hi everybody,

    I found an interesting article that bring some light on Alexander the Great as a major folk figure in Macedonia:

    FOLKLOVE : SALVATION OF THE LOCAL MASS CULTURE

    Ermis Lafazanovski. Skopje

    The ethnization of culture - as Konrad Kostlin said - is the ethnic paradigm of the turn of the centuries. He said: "At the end of the 19th century the ethnization of culture led to the instrumentalization of the discipline. It was also a topic in the discussions about art criticism regarding "national styles". At the end of the twentieth century the ethnization of culture has taken unexpected importance, extending from regional and nationalistic movements and radicalism to the political use of "ethnic cleansing". This aspect is also connected to aesthetic and symbolic dimension of ethnically defined culture" (Kostlin 1994).
    As we can see this statement represents an attempt to fundamentalize the notion of culture and identity of ethnic culture in condition of ethnically defined culture, expansionistic ethnocentrism, nationalism and instrumentalization of ethnical cultural expressions and symbols at the end of centuries, which is obviously the situation at the end of the 20th century too. The paradigm "ethnization of culture" shows the negative tension and interactions among members of different groups (ethnic conflicts) in one cultural context, where the ethnic defined groups are confronted to each other.
    The phrase "ethnization of culture" could be replaced with the phrase "folklorization of culture" which is the recent characterization of cultures in eastern European countries. The question which arises is: what is the relationship between "folklorization of culture", which is the topic of contemporary cultures i.e. manifestation of the irrational "love for folklore" i.e. Folklove, and traditional genuine folklore. It is a question which could be answered with the theoretical tools of Folklorism or Fakelore (Dorson 1969) approach to the problem, but in the East European countries this approach attaches a negative connotation to the problem of contemporary state of folklore.
    The term Folklove is the contemporary situation in contemporary folk culture and has a more optimistical connotation than Folklorism or Fakelore. It is a way for escaping from cultural dismembering or disintegration. It is a cluster in the network of searching for identity, it is just a rescue, salvation from the crisis of mass culture. Crisis and salvation of mass culture with the traditional. Searching for local heroes may be the sign of individual or collective crisis.
    As Lauri Honko stressed, culture may be viewed as system of elements constituted through the selection, interpretation an internaliza-tion of tradition by individuals and groups (Honko 1988,131). His definition of tradition is that tradition primarily refers to materials only, to an unsystematic array of cultural elements that have been made available to a particular social group in different times and contexts. Tradition would thus look like a store only some parts of which are in use at any given time. The other parts are simply waiting to be activated, stored in museums, archives and libraries or in the case of oral tradition, in the library of the human mind, always in the danger of passing into oblivion because of the lack of function (Honko 1988, 133).
    It is obvious that the authority of selected tradition is used to glorificate the ethnocentric consciousness and self-values in relation with another culture and another identity. The uses of folklore symbols and models and their instrumentalization are often the most charged elements in the contemporary dismembering of culture. But generally each culture has a distorted consciousness of self in relation with other cultures.
    It is a problem of searching authenticity but with the ancient and forgotten denotations: authenteo (to have full power over, also to commit a murder); authentes (not only a master and doer, but also a preparator, a murderer, even a selfmurderer, a suicide). From this philosophical point of view searching for authenticity is a suicide, because, as Trilling said, "Civilization is of its nature so inauthentic that personal integrity can be wrested from it only by the inversion of all its avowed principles" (Trilling 1972, 110). But from the real point of view inversion is made with tradition vis-a-vis contemporary modem culture: with Folklove.
    It is obvious that the reason for activating only some parts of stored tradition depends on the current need for identity. The parts which are extended from traditional libraries are compatible with the part of national identity which has to be stressed. In such circumstances we have the following situation: traditional culture / national culture and folklore culture / contemporary culture. Because the modem culture suffer from acculturation (Herskovits 1958), it is a process of culturation of acculturation made by western mass media with the authentic traditional culture. It is a process of salvation of the local mass culture from the acculturation.
    It is not only the traditional culture involved in this search but also the "Invented tradition" (Hobsbawn 1983). But this invention is not only crude invention, it is more than that - it is a love for tradition. Invention of tradition is invention of folklore too, and invention of folklore is nothing else but Folklove. Fakelore is also Folklove. Folklove is the way to identity.
    Over the last five decades Macedonian life has been determined by the political paradigm of socialism in which the awareness of the folk tradition was insufficient and distorted. The popular culture in Macedonia in the last forty years has been submitted to various pressures. Macedonian folklore and ethnology did not study this domain of popular culture because of various reasons, such as political pressure, lack of theoretical interests, and conceptions concerning the influence of church and religion on the popular culture. This period was also marked by new contemporary customs, like various celebrations of revolutionary anniversaries and battles in the war, the ceremony surrounding Youth Day, city holidays, enterprise holidays. Women's Day and so on, and in connection with these - performances by folk groups were well perceived. Increasing political decentralization showed a tendency to spark national folklore symbols once more. National flags on the wedding celebration are a normal phenomenon in contemporary folk life and in folklore presentation on stage as well. Simultaneously, increasing demands for a market orientation in the economy encourage the commercialization and instrumentalization of folklore in entertainment (newly composed folk music). Instrumentalization of folklore is nothing else but salvation of mass culture from acculturation.
    As we can see, we are facing different kinds of Folklove but they have always been Folklove, be it in the prewar period, during the war or after. They are only different kinds of folk manifestation, but they are Folklove.
    Honko once wrote that natural identities are there in the field only to be detected and described by scholars, whereas a constructed identity represents mostly questionable manipulation close to forgery.
    If we take the folklore as part of cultural identity, we could say that invention of folklore is manipulation. But we could also say that it is not manipulation - it is Folklove.
    In search for local heroes who will save the local culture Folklove grasps the traditional narrative culture. Among the most important traditional narratives in such direction are the traditional legends. In Macedonian culture the authority of legends gives the people their sense of historical belonging to the identity group.
    I will keep the attention now on a specific form of authority of legends and historical traditions over the culture identity in Macedonia (Danforth 1993) as manifestation of salvation the local mass culture.
    The oral traditions and legends have authenticity and authority for bringing back the history and heritage values which means that they bring back the cultural and historical heroes too.
    The authority of genuine oral traditions and legends is most explored thorough oral narratives in establishing authenticity of Macedonian culture and in construction of a new identity, built under political circumstances. In the contemporary construction of national and cultural identity it is obviously the function of these historical traditions and legends to show the values and genuine of Macedonian cultural heritage.
    Legends and historical oral traditions are among the oldest genres of Macedonian folk literature. They are a separate genre - by their content and their themes, with their own developmental processes. They are an artistic blend of real historical data and poetic imagination.
    Characteristic of oral traditions are historization (the relating of the action to some historical event or person) and localization (making a connection between the setting of the tale and some definite real territory).
    Macedonian legends and traditions are characteristically full of archaism, since the narrator has frequently forgotten the exact circumstances under which his story took place, if he ever knew them, so that names of characters and places may often be confused, a phenomenon, known as contamination.
    Historical traditions may be further divided into tradition concerning historical persons and those of historical events. They are the result of supplementary, imaginative material being added to recollections of a real, concrete event or person. The events preserved in traditions are those which left a deep impression on the common people, and the characters immortalized in them those who were important in defending or liberation of their fellow men. Such traditions are created and preserved because of strong sense of curiosity about the past.
    Historical traditions contain not only the relevant facts about the event or character about which they were composed but also popular interpretation - collective rather than individual. In tradition of historical personages, the heroes are highly idealized and legendary in character.
    Macedonian historical traditions date primarily from the fourteenth century onwards, the time of the Turkish occupation. Many of them deal with the occupation itself, the history of the Balkan Slavs, and the last of the decisive battles against the Turkish conquerors. Part of the historical traditions concerning historical personages are integrally related to traditions about historical events, such as those dealing with Alexander the Great, Marko Krali. Even these characters are typical not only for the Macedonian oral narratives but also those of other nations sharing the Balkan area, like Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks and Turks. Some of these oral traditions and legends as well as others about prominent characters in local Macedonian history (such as Kliment and Naum) show that this genre existed even before the arrival of the Turks in Macedonia. (Sazdov 1987)
    Obviously their authority helps to bring the authority of contemporary tradition among the people who identify themselves with the history. The problem of identification has weighty consequences on building the identity. It seems that identity consciousness has to contain the identification with the past on both levels: collective and individual. Collectives and individuals must feel themselves like descendants of a historical past and part of an authentic tradition. For that purpose the authority of historical traditions and legends preserves strong identification with the past.
    In the era of conflicting identities the problem is that in the multicultural states each of ethnic groups, identifies himself with his own ethnocentric historical and cultural background. Maybe the most accentuated reason which generates conflicts in and between different ethnic minorities, in ethnically under-represented cultures, is that there is no identification on the high society level.
    The items which determine the narrative world (social life, personality and existence of narrative figures), determinate also the culture-logical systems, such as traditions. Narrative tradition consists of social life, personality and existence of the narrators and narrative figures. As we see, the more authentic are the narrative figures (in, 1975. Hartman, A. 1991: Über die Kulturanalyse des Diskurses. Zeitschrift our case Marko Krali and Alexander the Great) the greater the authority and authenticity of narrative tradition will be. The more the narrative tradition has authority and authenticity based on the authentic social life, personality and existence of the narrators and their narratives, the more authentic the cultural identity will be. Based on the authentic cultural identity, the national identity poses his own authority from narrative figures, through narration, narrator, narrative tradition, cultural identity, and national identity.
    As we see above and according to the previous regardings of role of the symbols and models, first of all the authorities of states select the authentic folklore manifestations according to the authenticity of their social and personal life and existence and bring them in front of cultural evens like bearers of authentic and archaic cultural and existential power.! Tradition true Folklove is ready to fight with acculturation.
    In Macedonian case the authentic historical narratives about Alexander the Great and Marko Krali collected from the authentic narrators from the field have made them into the heroes of our time and the bearer of Macedonian disobedient soul in the frame ofinauthentic world and existence. Bringing the traditional legends in the frame of local mass media, Folklove resolves the problem of inauthenticity.
    But there is also a lot of Folklove movement today in Macedonia and maybe in the whole Balkans which is pure Folklove. There are all kinds of Folklorism movements, local and other traditional folk groups popularizing all the possible folklore forms, for example the folklore feast, festivals, youth folk evenings, popular forms, etc. Folklore and family life, folklore in the schools and educational institutes, traditional home made folk arts, new traditional mythology.
    Today Folklove is a source of revitalization of culture in the modern world. In need of new identity the culture discovered new values in something that we currently call non-culture, Fakelore, Folklorization, ethnization, or invention of tradition and that somewhere in the future will be also traditional culture or Folklove.
    References

    Bausinger, H.: Zur Kulturalen Dimension von Identität. Zeitschrift fur Volkskunde, No. 73, pp. 31-41.
    Danforth Loring, M. 1993: Claims to Macedonian Identity: The Macedonian Question and the Break-up of Yugoslavia. Anthropology Today, Ho. 9, pp. 3-10.
    Dorson, R. M. 1969: Fakelore. Zeitschrift fur Volkskunde, No. 65. Friedman, V. 1975: Macedonian Language and Nationalism During the Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Centuries. Balcanica II: 83-98fur Volkskunde, No. 87.
    Herskovits, M. J. 1958: Acculturation, The Study of the Culture Contact. Glouchester.
    Hobsbawn, E. 1983: The Invention of Tradition. Cambridge. Hobsbawn, E. 1990: Nation and Nationalism since 1780. Programme: Myth Reality. Cambridge.
    Honko, L. 1955: Tradition in the Construction of Cultural Identity and Strategies of Ethnic Survival. European Review. Vol. 3, No. 2.
    Honko, L. 1988: Tradition and Cultural Identity. Turku.
    Kostlin, K. 1994: Das Ethnographishe Paradigma und die Jahrhundert - wenden. Ethnologia Europea, No. 24/1994.
    Sazdov, T. 1987: Macedonian Folk Literature: Macedonian Review
    Edition. Skopje.
    Trilling, L. 1972: Sincerity and Authenticity. Harvard.
    It is well-known that Alexander hold a prominent place into folklore of many people from Walles up to India. But Lafazanovski's assertions are very vague because he did not make any concrete example of any narrative concerning Alexander.

    -In the Macedonian folklore there are large number of songs, poems, tales, legends and narratives with an ancient-Macedonian contents registered as early as the 16th, 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. The contents and details in some of these works are in astonishing agreement with the historical events.

    -In one folklore song about Alexander The Great of Macedon recorded in the 19th century, mosquitoes (malaria) have clearly been identified as the reason for Alexander's death even though it has been scientifically proven that mosquitoes carry the malaria disease only in the early 20th century!

    -In the 19th century Miladinov brothers recorded a narrative about the founding of the town of Voden, which is in complete agreement with the historical description by the ancient historian Justin despite the fact that his work has not yet been translated and published in Macedonian.

    -There are numerous folk creative works in the Macedonian folklore dedicated to some of the ancient-Macedonian rulers. There are also certain folklore elements (especially in the tales) that without doubt have their roots in ancient Macedonia. Some of those elements are: the motif of the lion (lions in fact lived in Macedonia in the ancient period and that is the reason why the lion has been widely appears in the Macedonian tales as well as in the heraldry); the tsar with a horn (in a tale about Alexander of Macedon recorded by Tsepenkov); the lynx; the philosopher; the motif of the three brothers (taken from the Herodotus' story about the

    http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/Co...ia/donski.html
    This is all what I could find in internet while I was searching about that matter. The above examples are of major importance, because they clearly show that Alexander was rooted deep into consciousness of Macedonians, while in Greece during this time (I mean XVIII-XIX), Greeks looked upon Alexander with a lot of disdain and hatred. To my opinion, this factor is very important in relating a certain Macedonians with ancient ones. I'd have no issue to accept all the above examples only if anyone can show any direct content of any folk narrative about Alexander the Great?
    Is that true that most of legends, folk-tales and traditions about Alexander can be found only in Aegean Macedonia?
    Thnx
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  • rosetta
    Banned
    • May 2011
    • 68

    #2
    This thread has enough information that debunks this approach
    (Written by ULRICH MOENNIG) THE MAIN FORMS AND THEMES of this first period included scholarly and popular epic songs celebrating the new champions of Hellenism, the young warrior Armouris and Digenis Akritas, defender of the Byzantine Empire; long compositions; verse romance, which bore the stamp of influence from Western

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    • Onur
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 2389

      #3
      Probably there are many more legends, folktales, poems about Alexander in islamic world then ever written in Greek-Roman western world.

      There is a story of an individual in Koran, mentioned as "double-horned one" who conquered many territories and build an iron gate in the Caucasus to stop the advance of the descendants of Gog and Magog from central Asia in to the Anatolia. It`s widely believed in islamic world that the "double-horned one" can be no other than the Alexander the Great. As you know, the Koran has been written in 7th century.

      Also, there are many legends about him in Andalusia, muslim Spain as early as 9th century and there are epic poems and folktales of him in Persia in 10th century. Then there are epic poems about Alexander written by Turks of Ottoman empire in 14th century as i posted one of them here b4;

      [FONT="Verdana"]There is an epic about Alexander the Great, written by the Turkish poet named Taceddin Ahmedi. It`s called "Iskender-name", "The book of Alexander the Great" in English. It`s written in the style called "Mesnevi". Mesnevis are like epics in western poetry. It`s written

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13670

        #4
        Originally posted by rosetta View Post
        This thread has enough information that debunks this approach
        http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=4419
        What exactly does that thread 'debunk' braniac?

        By the way, I knew you were that same clown that has been banned 100 times in the past. Been practicing a bit of english grammar lately, have we? Tell me, should I just ban you now, or give you the same courtesy you were given in the past where you were allowed to pollute our forum and finally make some stupid racist remark? If your only intent here is to claim that you're 'debunking' approaches, when in actual fact you are merely making a statement without elaborating and corroborating, then I think the writing is already on the wall for you. After being repeatedly banned you hadn't learned how to behave like anything other than a closet racist, and I don't think you're any different now. Don't ruin it for other Greeks that may be normal. And seriously, after a 100 bannings, don't you think it's time you actually get a life or disappear into some racist 'stormfront' style forum with the rest of those who think like yourself? You will find plenty of your 'type' of Greeks there.
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Dejan
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          • Sep 2008
          • 589

          #5
          Well done Epirot. Some good info there
          You want Macedonia? Come and take it from my blood!

          A prosperous, independent and free Macedonia for Macedonians will be the ultimate revenge to our enemies.

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          • Epirot
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            • Mar 2010
            • 399

            #6
            Originally posted by Onur View Post
            Probably there are many more legends, folktales, poems about Alexander in islamic world then ever written in Greek-Roman western world.
            I agree with you! The fact that during XIX century, most of 'Greek' intelectuals looked upon Alexander as a conqueror of 'Greek world' points out that Alexander in Greece had vague traces. But after 1830 the situation change drastically. Hence now, Greek schools introduced Alexander as 'Greek' and his army as chiefly composed of Greeks, who spread the 'Hellenic' culture in the heart of Asia.
            Here I found something that you may find as interesting:

            Despite Michael Wood's enormous effort, modern politics prevented him from realizing his goal. Yet this British historian and creator of more than 60 documentaries has come closer to doing so than any of his illustrious predecessors, including the great early twentieth-century British explorer Sir Aurel Stein and the indefatigable mid-century traveler Freya Stark, both of whom intensively explored portions of Alexander's route. We are grateful to have the record of Wood's journey across Greece, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, and India. It is to his credit that only in Iraq was he prevented by the authorities from following the ground trod by Alexander's army. There were also political difficulties in Greece, Israel, and Egypt, but Wood managed to overcome them.
            http://www.archaeology.org/9805/etc/multimedia.html
            I bet that Micheal Wood when arrived in Greece, was thought by Greeks as a suspicious foreginer that might harm national interests

            There is a story of an individual in Koran, mentioned as "double-horned one" who conquered many territories and build an iron gate in the Caucasus to stop the advance of the descendants of Gog and Magog from central Asia in to the Anatolia. It`s widely believed in islamic world that the "double-horned one" can be no other than the Alexander the Great. As you know, the Koran has been written in 7th century.
            That's truly interesting! I think that the story about 'Dhul Qarnayn' in Koran was copied by earlier Hebrew-Biblical versions that portrayed Alexander as a good devoter to the god, which is why 'Dhul Qarnayn' is portrayed positively in Kuran. Hovewer, the identyfing of Alexander with Dhul Qarnayn brought many contraversies among Islamic scholars. They reject the possibility of mentioning Alexander in Koran, because according to them, there is no chance to have a positive role in Kuran, a man who was above all, a pagan.

            and build an iron gate in the Caucasus to stop the advance of the descendants of Gog and Magog from central Asia in to the Anatolia.
            I have read only one time in my life Kuran, the part about Dhul Qarnayn. The exact location of this "iron gate" is very intriguing because some went as far as to confound it with Chinese wall. In all probabillity, the iron gate might have been somewhere at the northern boundary of Indo-"Greek" kingdoms, probably in Bactria. If 'Gog and Magog' were warrior nomadic tribes of Scythia/Mongolia, then thhe above loaction is most likely. What do you think, Onur?

            Also, there are many legends about him in Andalusia, muslim Spain as early as 9th century and there are epic poems and folktales of him in Persia in 10th century. Then there are epic poems about Alexander written by Turks of Ottoman empire in 14th century as i posted one of them here b4;
            Thnx for the link, Onur. I read it with a great of pleasure. It is more than evident that all eastern people imaginated positively Alexander, as savior, superman, warrior of justice, adventurer, etc. Even the Persians reckoned him as a valiant warrior, although they were submitted by conquering armies of Alexander the Macedon.
            Last edited by Epirot; 06-01-2011, 06:47 AM.
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            • I of Macedon
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              • Sep 2008
              • 222

              #7
              I've provided some examples of Folklore (about Alexander) a while back, but thanks for highlighting it again, Epirot. I’ll bump the thread ‘Macedonia throughout the centuries,’ and though the whole thread is worth the read, you can read some of the folklore examples from post #9 onwards.
              No need to sit in the shade, because we stand under our own sun

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              • Onur
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                • Apr 2010
                • 2389

                #8
                Originally posted by Epirot View Post
                The fact that during XIX century, most of 'Greek' intelectuals looked upon Alexander as a conqueror of 'Greek world' points out that Alexander in Greece had vague traces.

                It is more than evident that all eastern people imaginated positively Alexander, as savior, superman, warrior of justice, adventurer, etc. Even the Persians reckoned him as a valiant warrior, although they were submitted by conquering armies of Alexander the Macedon
                I believe ancient Greeks was never an homogenous society. Already they were under Persian domination for a long time and they intermingled with them both ethnically and in ideologically. You can see the proofs of this pre-Alexander ancient Persian and Greek interaction in museums of Turkey. Then after Alexander`s conquests, boundaries of the world has been destroyed. Ofc that was a turning point in the world history because all the collected scientific knowledge since Sumerians has been unified and flourished. So, islamic world regards Alexander as a gifted man who did biggest contribution to the humanity to develop faster than ever.

                BUT, the story of Alexander has been transformed to something else with the enlightenment era philosophers like Montesquieu. They created a new image for Alexander, an ethnocentric image suitable to their new 17-18th century ideology. They presented ancient Greeks as an homogenous Greek society who only belongs to the western world and Alexander has been presented as the biggest contributor to the Hellenism who crushed the savage Persians. You can see this post-enlightenment era image of Alexander in this movie, filmed in 1956;

                YouTube - ‪Alexander the Great: 'We Greeks are the Chosen.'‬‏

                In my opinion, all these was a diversion of enlightenment era philosophers. They re-discovered Alexander and ancient Greeks after reading the Arabic texts from 8-9-10th century. Then they created a new hellenic world based on that but according to their ideas of 18th century. Ancient Greeks was never an homogenous society, therefore Alexander was not Greek. Persians was never savages but on the contrary, they were the most powerful society in the world at that time with many advancements. And i believe, ancient Greeks wasn't even a western society but they were eastern one who interacted with Persians and semitic people. As for me, western society starts with Romans, not with ancient Greeks. Thats what i believe after seeing the image of Alexander and ancient Greeks in early medieval islamic records.



                The exact location of this "iron gate" is very intriguing because some went as far as to confound it with Chinese wall. In all probabillity, the iron gate might have been somewhere at the northern boundary of Indo-"Greek" kingdoms, probably in Bactria. If 'Gog and Magog' were warrior nomadic tribes of Scythia/Mongolia, then thhe above loaction is most likely. What do you think, Onur?
                I don't know much about that. I have no idea where was this Alexander`s gate or if it`s ever discovered at all but i know that Chinese wall has been build against the Huns. At least thats what Chinese records says. Early islamic texts says that the descendants of Gog and Magog, who fought against Alexander was the forefathers of Khazars, Turks or simply Scythians.

                Cyril&Methodius said that they were Khazars too. From their autobiography in 9th century;



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                • George S.
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10116

                  #9
                  The greeks resented macedonian rule or occupation.You are right to that the greeks rediscovered alexander through arabic texts.When one wonders when the greeks wrote about the alexander the great hundreds or even thousand years after the event.
                  "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
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