Macedonians in Russian and other "slavic" Sources

[Serdarot]

If someone needs money, can go and claim the 1 million $ from the idiot Bozidar Dimitrov.

There are so many sources where it is clear the Macedonian in the Macedonians

"Чтенія в Императорском обществѣ исторіи и древностей" / 1847



simple translation:

Kuber decided to take over Solun. He decided to use "itrina" (brains, clearly showing that before that the bulgars were SURELY not using their brains )

One of his "vozhdei" (chiftains, nobels, commanders)

"znal jaziki Makedonskii, Grecheskii, Slavjanskii u Bulgarskii"

[Serdarot]

pls Admin change header (if possible) to

>>> Macedonians in Russian and other "slavic" Sources <<<

thank you

Сочиненія Т.Н. Грановскаго, Band 1

Тимофей Николаевич Грановский - 1856

были исключительнымъ достояшемъ одного народа Раз ум вется что такой образъ дийствш долженъ былъ доставить ему любовь и признательность покоренныхъ пле менъ но онъ не могъ не вызвать сильнаго неудовольств со стороны Македонцев ь и Грековъ обиженныхъ неио...

http://books.google.de/books?id=hWo-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA425&dq=%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=12&as_maxy_is=1920&num=100&as_brr=0&cd=9#v=onepage&q=%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2&f=false

[Serdarot]

Славянскій сборник Н. В. Савеле̕ва-Ростиславича
Николай Васильевич Савельев-Ростиславич

1845


...назывались именами языковъ напр. Legio Pannonica, Macedonica но эти имена означали только то что полкъ расположенъ по Паннонiи и или Македонiи, Если же Римляне ХОГБЛИ означить лзыкъ или племя то употребляли его имявомиож родит пад chors Pannoniorum, Macedonum, те кохорта Панонцев, Македонцев



simple translation

when the Romans wanted to name Legion or other things by Location, they used one form, and when they wanted to name / mark / adress LANGUAGE and TRIBEs (ethnikum) , they used other form.

http://books.google.de/books?id=gFc-AAAAYAAJ&pg=RA2-PA143&dq=%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=12&as_maxy_is=1920&num=100&as_brr=0&cd=11#v=onepage&q=%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2&f=false

[Daskalot]

pls Admin change header (if possible) to

>>> Macedonians in Russian and other "slavic" Sources <<<

thank you

I have changed it!

Nice sources Serdarot! Bravo!

[Serdarot]

I have changed it!

Nice sources Serdarot! Bravo!

tnk u bro

much more to come, from this sources as well from other(s), more east(ern )

da sme Zdravi i Zivi site, ke si dUmame leka poleka okolu storenoto od nashite stari

Chesto ke im se voshituvame na Mudrosta i Hrabrosta (i Izdrzlivosta) , i treba da uchime od niv mnogu, isto kako i od greshkite nivni, da ne gi povtoruvame

Pozdrav i do tebe i do site drugi ceda i / ili prijateli na Makedonia

YouTube - Ohridski Trubaduri Za Frosina

[Serdarot]

and here we have some interesting informations...

indications?
prooves?

desinformations?

we will see

In the "Genesis" of the creation of the "Skiti", in the Book

Istoriia Rossi s drevnieishikh vremen, Band 1 (1866)
from Sergiei Mikhailovich Solov'ev (1820-1879)

we can read:

Отъ трехъ братьевъ пошли разныя Скиеск я племена отъ старшего Авхаты отъ средняго Катары и Траонiи отъ младшаго царск1е или Паралаты вс они вообще носили имя Сколотовъ а Греки называли ихъ Скитами.

Greeks called them "Skiti".

How many of you have heard about the migrations of the shepards? from Kosovo, Shara, All Across "North Macedonia" (lol on "Severna :P) to the south areas?

The Vlachs, the Macedonians, also the Albanians who were shepards and not bandits :P

skita-a

+

scit / scot - offensive term, similar as voulgaroi / Boulgaroi

of course, we should not take all informations as "pure truth" , but to use informations to re-create the mosaic ^^

greetings

p.s.

i marked "traoni" couse of

- Trojani / Troyani
- Traioni / Thraki-i-oni

about the "ioni" "traki" / thraki" i will write more in the "ethymology" thread

[Serdarot]

About

Gor-Piai (Avgust)

R Arkhiv" istoriko-yuridicheskikh" svčdčnėĭ, otnosyashchikhsya do Rossėi. Izd ... - page 35
Nikolai Vasil'evich Kalachov - 1850



Od kuda Makedonsk. Nazvanie??? (How come Macedonian Name)

Koga Gor-i - Pias Voda ili Vino ili Pivo

p.s.

something else is very important in such text, the term "Macedonian" / "Makedonski" (beside that, in the second usage he is clerly speaking about Macedonian Language)

if we have Macedonian Name of some month, we have Macedonian Language, and surprise, on todayīs Macedonian the name of the month is PERFECTLY logic and explainable?


how much more some1 need? weīll give more ^^

[Serdarot]

and to understand some things better, why there is sometimes such an attitude toward us, the Macedonians...

Вѣстник Европы, First Edition - 1 , 1868



Ok, now wait a minute...

Makedonianstvo? 66 Macedonian (and some Egyptian) Episkopes? Refused to recognize Nicaea, Left, splited...i mean...

Makedonianstvo?

Do you know what that means?

We are not only speaking here about Nation, Language, Culture, we speak about BIG part of one Religion, Named by the Macedonia / Macedonians!

We speak about year of 381 AD, when following the "oficial" history, "Macedonians were gone in history, defeated by the Romans, killed, sold in slavery, and those who left prepared to run away from the bad bad very primitive slavs".

66 Episkopes?

Macedonian? Makedonianstvo?

and to repeat from other post, on each few kilometers in Macedonian we have HUGE AmfiTheaters from that period...

Seem that some Macedonians probably left Macedonia after the fall of Macedon, but most of them never Left Macedonia.

How could they, there was even prohibition of free movement for some period, couldnt go from one to other area, they probably needed "visa" :P

edit:

- take a note, the Christianity is on many Macedonian Dialects called (from Risto) Ris-janstvo , we are Ris-jani.
- the Macedonian Ris is a small mountain lion
- in some Christian Rituals / Simbols are pre-Christian "pagan"* roots / elements. Macedonian Folklor is full of such elements.


* = probably more Astronomy and Astrology and knowledge about the Universe is implemented in our Folklor / Culture, than many, many of us can ever even imagine :P

[Serdarot]

Древности российскаго государства -
Федор Григорьевич Солнцев, Лукьиан Яковлев (Павлович, д 1829-1887) - 1849




Macedonian Traditional Costumes, etc, etc...

They (the Macedonians) "despised the clothing of the Greeks and the Romans"

so many "Macedonian" to be found everywhere...

and so clear diference between Macedonian, Greek, Roman, Egyptian

[Serdarot]

"Thrako-Makedoni" spreading their language / culture between the neighbors, leaving traces everywhere...

Sobranīe sochinenīĭ i perevodov, Band 13 - (page 220)

Aleksandr Semenovich Shishkov, Torquato Tasso - 1829




so, that was for once

more to come when time / inspiration ^^

[osiris]

bravo nashi keep it up please

but may i suggest if you could give a breif translation in english of the highlighted areas, most of our readers speak englsih and often cannot be bothered to use a google translation.

[Serdarot]

bravo nashi keep it up please

but may i suggest if you could give a breif translation in english of the highlighted areas, most of our readers speak englsih and often cannot be bothered to use a google translation.

i am trying to give simple translations, and it is easy to notice the very mentioning of the Macedonians and the Greeks as 2 separate "kind of grupations", if racial, linquial, ethnical, not so important, important is that there is enough big diference to BE mentioned on so many places.

btw, one of the terms that probably some of you dont understand is

"Makedonianstvo"

simple translation

Makedonizam / Macedonism

They are putting = on the Orthodoxy as "Makedonianstvo"

How Ironic, that our "sisters" - Other (younger ) Orthodox Church, are making so many problems to the Macedonian Church?

p.s.

If any of you donīt understand something from the pictures / translations, feel welcomed to ask.

Not only that google is friendly sometimes, i also have "small" private library with material connected to Macedonia, the Orthodoxy / Christianity, and other issues connected with our loved MotherLand, so maybe there will be some answers found

[Soldier of Macedon]

Serdarot, thank you, these are very interesting sources, please continue.

[Pelister]

Is this document somewhere in the Russian Archives, or the British Archives?

I can't tell.

Mr Westman, the Russian Vice-Consul at Phillipolis in order to verify the statements of atrocities made by Macedonian fugitives, crossed over the border into Macedonia (Year?). The results of his investigation were sent to the Foriegn Office in St.Petersburg.

Source: Affairs in Macedonia, British Hansard, 13 March 1903

There are probably thousands of documents relating to Greek atrocities against Macedonians in the Russian archives.

[osiris]

serdarot please dont take offense at my suggestion, you are posting very important stuff here and it should be as accessible as possible to all our readers, thats as all i meant.