Prolet

[Vangelovski]

Prolet,

You're the master of asking questions but never provide your views on anything of substance. It's becoming irritating, so now I've dedicated this thread to you, so that everyone can ask you about YOUR views.

I'll start with your view on the Framework Agreement. Do you think its good or bad for the Macedonian people and why?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, I just told my Indian friend about your acceptance of Serb dances where it concerns community leaders. He replied by saying Meto is an absolute disgrace, and if the Indian community leader in Australia went on a tour to promote India, and danced Pakistani dances at the functions, they would have lynched him.

Prolet, how often have you Serb-danced, and under what circumstances do you find it acceptable?

[Prolet]

Vangelovski, Its terrible for the Macedonian People

SOM, I think you should ask around how many people go to watch Serbian Singers just in these past few months. I was told that more then half the people at the Aca Lukas Concert were Makedonci, now Sinan Sakic is coming perhaps you should ask around how many people from our community will rock up.

Why should i discriminate somebody about what music they listen to? We have people who listen to Greek,Bulgarian Music so does this mean they are not Macedonians?

SOM, When was the last time you listened to Serbian Music? If you are so surprised you should rock up to some of the joints on a Friday and Saturday night here in Melbourne and see what kind of music they play, people pay top dollar for that stuff.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, I think you may be drunk (again!). Please re-read my question.

Prolet, how often have you Serb-danced, and under what circumstances do you find it acceptable?

Prolet, don't tell me about listening to music, dancing to it is another kettle of fish, so kindly answer the question and save your Spolaj TTTTTTTTi for the end, thanks.

[Vangelovski]

Prolet,

You only answered half of my question. The other half was WHY?

[Bill77]

Vangelovski, Its terrible for the Macedonian People

SOM, I think you should ask around how many people go to watch Serbian Singers just in these past few months. I was told that more then half the people at the Aca Lukas Concert were Makedonci, now Sinan Sakic is coming perhaps you should ask around how many people from our community will rock up.

Why should i discriminate somebody about what music they listen to? We have people who listen to Greek,Bulgarian Music so does this mean they are not Macedonians?

SOM, When was the last time you listened to Serbian Music? If you are so surprised you should rock up to some of the joints on a Friday and Saturday night here in Melbourne and see what kind of music they play, people pay top dollar for that stuff.

Well things have to change Prolet and mabe you can lead the way. Obviously The Young Goce Delcev can't.

Half the concert goers might have been Macedonians, but if there was a Macedonian concert same night and these Macedonians had a choice, i bet my balls the atendance would have been half the amount. Meto had a choice of not one, but hundreds to pick from da naracha oro. Duri stotkata mu zalepe na tapangijata.......ok i am making the last bit up. But i would not be suprised.

[julie]

Gotse Delchev??? You are kidding me, this is Meto? hahahahahahahahaha, LMAO

[Prolet]

I'll start with your view on the Framework Agreement. Do you think its good or bad for the Macedonian people and why?

I missed out on the why question, I dont like it because its a fraud in every way you look at it. There is no way in the world that the Albanians are over 20% of the population, i dont see how they do this in name of minority rights to allow themselves to put up Albanian Flags all over Western Macedonia. You come from Ohridsko Vangelovski you dont get to feel this ramkoven dogovor you should go to Tetovo and Gostivar and see what its like our people are living under Tursko Robstvo.

Im not exactly sure why on earth you asked me this question, i never knew i was seen as pro Albanian to you. Why do you ignore the videos i posted up with Vasko Eftov on the Balist Dzemo Hasa who fought along with the Fascists, there was recently an interview with Imer Selmani who managed to fool 55,000 Macedonians that voted for him in the presidential elections, showing his true nationalism by having his own political party making the request to have a statue of a Fascist in our city of Gostivar.

So is this what its come down to?? All of us forum members here need to pass some sort of a test in order to be seen as a Macedonians?

Now the latest news is that the Albanians are using the IVZ to manipulate the muslim population in Macedonia. This is why the Torbeshi are crucial.

[Prolet]

SOM, How about you be polite and say spolaj ti for a change?

Sure i've danced to Serbian Music, especially to Goran Bregovic music many times mainly in Stari Kraj when i go. I've danced to Serb music at weddings played by Macedonian Musicians, ive danced to Serb Chocheci at christenings.

SOM, When you go to weddings and christenings do you tell the person who invited you what kind of music should be played?? So if somebody plays Serbian,Croatian,Gjupska Muzika do you give that person an ultimatum to play Macedonian Music or what?

If we look at it that way, anybody who listens to music other then Macedonian should suffer the same fate?

[Rogi]

Spolaj Ti Prolet.

Prolet, what do you think Macedonia should prioritise and focus and what is, in your opinion, the way out of the current situation Macedonia faces itself in (negotiations, EU/NATO-carrot dangling, Greek bullying, Bulgarian threats, Serbian Church meddling in Macedonia, etc) in regards to defending the Macedonian name?

I'm not looking for your jokes and rhetorical questions. This time I'm looking for a serious response, which we all know you are capable of, when you stop taking the piss out of everything.

I genuinely want to know what suggestions you can offer, you were there very recently, you are very aware of the internal political situations in Macedonia and within the political parties, etc.

So I'm asking, if you had the power to make the ultimate decisions regarding Macedonia, what would you do?

[Vangelovski]

Prolet,

I never saw you as pro-Albanian. However, you are pro-UMD and UMD supports the Framework Agreement. I'm wondering how you can support UMD and oppose the Framework Agreement at the same time.

P.S. I'm not from Ohridsko.

[Soldier of Macedon]

SOM, When you go to weddings and christenings do you tell the person who invited you what kind of music should be played??

Stop making irrelevant comparisons, Meto wasn't at a wedding or christening, he was at an event in 'honour' of himself that was supposed to be about promoting Macedonia, yet he Serb danced, like a shupelka. Next time, fati se za oro do nego i dvaitsata da praite chochetsi zaedno, you patriot Macedonians you.

If we look at it that way, anybody who listens to music other then Macedonian should suffer the same fate?

Do you know the difference between listening and dancing? Meto is a supposed to be a community "leader" for crying out loud, can you show me an example of another Macedonian community leader that has been on a promotional tour for Macedonia that has Serb danced to the Macedonian public? Your whole view on this is dispicable, i tebe da ti e sram. There is a time for being culturally acceptable of others, and there is a time for being patriotic, the distinction is more than obvious, only a fool would dance Serbian at a patriotic event for Macedonians.

[Prolet]

Rogi, Do you think this is a joke to me? I was one of the first to say how serious this was and others just chose to put all the blame on Gruevski. How do we solve this? By uniting our diaspora and our people in Stari Kraj, by making laws against anybody who goes against national interests in Macedonia just like how it is with other countries.

Rogi, If i had the power i would firstly clean up my backyard, set up crisis meetings and see where everyone stands on the name issue. I would inplace media censorship to anybody who spews disgraceful propaganda and aiding the interests of the other side, even if this will bring more negative influence from the West i still believe its necessary. I'd strengthen UBK and DBK and give them more powers in order to ensure that we dont have people fighting against the interests of our country both in Macedonia and Abroad.

Before you mention the Serbian Church take a look at our church, its been rocked by scandals if you read yesterdays vest it shows that the head of MPC hasnt given one denar towards the rebuilding of the Jovan Bigorski manastir.

[Rogi]

Spolaj Ti Prolet.

[Prolet]

Prolet,

I never saw you as pro-Albanian. However, you are pro-UMD and UMD supports the Framework Agreement. I'm wondering how you can support UMD and oppose the Framework Agreement at the same time.

P.S. I'm not from Ohridsko.

Vangelovski, Where do you come from? Sorry i didnt ask you earlier you are the former Ohridski Komita are you not? I dont look at everything black and white, im saying that i dont have a choice if i did i would look at things differently. Why not create a Diaspora group to rival the UMD? Im interested in Solutions, we either back the UMD or create a rival group which will hopefully force the UMD to take a stronger approach on things, it could do everybody a world of good. If there are two human rights groups in Melbourne and Toronto then there can be two diaspora groups in Washington and Melbourne/Sydney/Canberra thats not up to me to decide in which city it will be.