Macedonia and NATO

[Prolet]

Risto, Thailand is a country of 65 million people, you cant compare it with Macedonia in any shape or form.

it would be a safe bet to suggest that most Macedonians in RoMacedonia were towing the Tito line quite readily. In fact, only the exceptional Macedonians were fiercely eager for independence. They were very much in the minority, do you disagree?

Risto, Over 85% of the people voted for independence in the referendum, there were a few incidents where people wanted to stay with Yugoslavia but they were a small minority.

[julie]

Вечна да биде Македониа, за жалост, сами се јадиме како кучина, ништо не може да биде така; нашите нај големи душмани не разпарчиа, и сега ние сами се делиме.
Државата не продаде со знамето, и сега играт улога што неможам да прифакам како можеби да се смени името лично Македонско, за пари за шпионите и предавницти државни љуге, за страмота и за жалост.
И ке успеат тоа да го поминаат, душманите се семат, пулат колку будали во парламентот Македосно , и колку лесно се дацаме, курваска работа,.

Македонка мајка ме роди, едно име имаме во душата го носиме , вечна Македониа да биде, и да пукнаат цели душамни и тие што ги делаат народот, а повеке Петар , не место да си бери народот, го разпарче за страмота. Тие предавницти од Господ ке бидат судени
Am sick and tired of the apathy and slave mentality amongst the Macedonian people, слободна е тоа парче, станите бре љуге на нодсе, не ја давате македониа.

[julie]

Frank, absolutely right. We must hang onto our name, if we don't, we lose. Ourselves. For eternity
Makedonia vechna da bide

[Mikail]

Macedonians, don’t forget: UNITED-WE CAN!

I believe some of our fellow Macedonians missed this part of your quote DedoAleko.

[Frank]

But don't forget to change your name after it all and remember you will be known as FYROM in NATO just like you are in the UN

[Mikail]

Obama's government to push for accession of Macedonia in NATO

Obama's government to push for accession of Macedonia in NATO
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[Risto the Great]

OM, in the last 50 years, it would be a safe bet to suggest that most Macedonians in RoMacedonia were towing the Tito line quite readily. In fact, only the exceptional Macedonians were fiercely eager for independence. They were very much in the minority, do you disagree?

[Risto the Great]

Actually, I find it hard to think of anything Macedonians (from anywhere) have collectively done with vigour in the last 50 years. It is really starting to bother me.

Having recently returned from Thailand and seeing the extreme poverty there and appreciating the lovely giving nature of the people, I admire them and understand their desire to protest. If I compare this with Macedonia, I have seen much more of a handout mentality with a chip on their shoulder about keeping up with the supposed "real" Europeans. The Macedonian form of "protest" is to not vote.

I am underwhelmed with the modern Macedonian spirit.

[fyrOM]

Julie don’t play dumb now like you don’t know.

where have I stated who are the :real: Macedonians???
You , because my dad was born in ROM you idiot!!!.Post055

So now your claiming no one can say you are racist against people from RoM because your dad is from there and somehow I must

have me really confused

Is this the same dad from RoM you put down by putting down his family in Post040

Yes, be disappointed in the "Egej" in me , am proud , of my blood, who did not smash other Macedonian heads in, but fought for the liberation and sovereignty of Macedonia, about the time the people in RoM (and you can keep your fucked up logic to yourself ) INCLUDING my FATHER's family had their heads forced up Tito's arse.Post040

Who as you say had their heads forced up titos arse while your other family

the "Egej" in me , am proud , of my blood,

The one according to you feel proud of because they

fought for the liberation and sovereignty of Macedonia, about the time the people in RoM …INCLUDING my FATHER's family had their heads forced up Tito's arse.Post040

Must be nice for you Julie to jump from one side of the fence to the other as it suits you to defend whatever position you feel like.

Have a look at your post038

Julie…This is from someone that has not lost relatives in battle for the name MACEDONIA.
You don’t have a lineage of ancestors that died for Macedonia.

How would you know about my lineage and if they did or did not fight for Macedonia…because they were not from egej…the ones you feel proud of because they fought and died for Macedonia.

You corner yourself

[julie]

OM, take a chill pill.
where have I stated who are the :real: Macedonians???
You have me really confused , because my dad was born in ROM you idiot!!!

I cant stand the divisions that Macedonians impose upon themselves, its bad enough the country was partitioned, but to acquiesce for further erosion of our identity, I will never agree to.
The acronym makes me sick to my stomach, as does the consequences of RoM entering the EU and NATO under that acronym.
The flag was compromised, then the name? What the fark have Macedonians got left ? Nothing. The Greeks have been rewriting history books, and this has been ongoing for the last 40 years, Rogi posted something to this effect.
Your anger is misdirected, if someone does not align themselves with your view point, you cannot force someone to agree with you or your logic. Everyone has the basic human right, for self determination.
Where you get off calling me a rascist has me scratching my head too, you have insulted me to no end.
I dont differentiate, I fight for the basic human rights for my people, in mala Prespa, Pirin, Egey , and my mother was born in Egejska .

I FIGHT FOR THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA TO RETAIN HER RIGHTFUL NAME AND IDENTITY, THE ONLY PIECE WE HAVE LEFT. TO STOP NEGOTIATIONS FOR ENTRY INTO A BULLSHIT CLUB THAT WILL CAUSE THE FURTHER DIVISION OF WHAT IS LEFT AMONGST THE SHIPTARI.

You are the one that has anger issues, and control issues, call me whatever you want to, I do not differentiate between any of my people, they are one. One people. Macedonians. Not an acronym.

[fyrOM]

To Julie and Makedonce

You both either have a severe comprehension problem in which case you need to go and learn English but I suspect the second option is true that you are both racist pricks who think you are high and mighty for being from egej. I have met my fair share like you…heard it all before…egej Macedonians are real Macedonians because those in RoM are the spawn of Serbs f ing our mothers over generation so we are half or three quarter or more Serb.

Don’t try and weasel out of it you flying fucks. Follow the sequence of the conversation and it proves it.

Firstly Julie herself introduced the the slander in her post038

Julie…This is from someone that has not lost relatives in battle for the name MACEDONIA.
You don’t have a lineage of ancestors that died for Macedonia.Post038.

How the f would you know if anyone of my lineage ever fought for Macedonia or not. Because they are not from egej. Because as you very clearly imply the egej fought the Greeks for Macedonia and what the f would any non egej know or truly care about the name after all according to you we have never shed blood for Macedonia.

I started by saying your statements brought me right back to my first day at a new primary school…we shifted…where the only other two Macedonians from RoM were bullies and after taunting pushing shoving tripping ect for most of the day at second recess thought they would jump me together and have some fun punching me up. Because I didn’t play my role as the victim ie cower and cop their beating they really got stuck in at which point I thought f it its time to crack sculls which I nearly did.

TAKE NOTE JULIE THEY WERE NOT FROM EGEJ but WERE FROM RoM I would not nor could not call them Greek. It would be just simply stupid to do so. Neither did I call the egej kids Greeks. They were in a different room to me and had only heard of me as the new kid is a maco and at lunch they came to introduce themselves and left just as fast when I told them which part of Macedonia I was from. There was no name calling or fight. They basically ignored me ever since. i think it was basically I wasn’t good enough.

Julie.post052.If you called the Macedonians Greek, then you deserved to get beaten as far as I am concerned. Calling us Greek, a fellow Macedonian, is actually quite disgusting.

Where do you get this stuff. There was no mention of calling anybody Greek. Do you just make stuff up. Do you just half read stuff and makeup the rest in your head and reply to the half and half story in your head.

Maybe it was too much information for you but I wanted to point out a counter to your stupid insinuation that egej Macedonians are somehow better or more Macedonian. Basically that day said if a Macedonian wants to be a prick to you it doesn’t matter which part of Macedonia they are from a prick is a prick.

Further to this theme of countering your argument I pointed out the historically factual error in your statement that only egej Macedonians fought and bled for Macedonia and concluded that good Macedonians from all over Macedonia fought for Macedonia and to say anything different disrespects their memory.

Smarty Makedonce jumps in with his absolutely stupid remark post044

Don't be disappointed, the Egejski Macedonians are the real Macedonians! But we haven't forgotten any others and we haven't signed our right to stand up for them, away - unlike some past and existing politicians in ROM - the Egejci still bleed for all Macedonians!

Is their anything ambiguous about this statement. And the TRUTH comes out. I have heard it all before.

Your arrogance and racism jumps off the page.

After reading such stupid nonsense about the egej being the real Macedonians and laughing I absolutely loved the next bit

But we haven't forgotten any others.

Thanks for not forgetting us not quite right or not true Macedonians hence my dig at the only proof we need comment being so we non egejs are not true Macedonians but since according to Makedonce genetics is nice but ONLY

being aligned with the Macedonian Cause is the only proof we need!

sounded a bit like the if you think your Greek then you are. I know what he meant but the preceding stupid statement made me laugh. Also hence my using Google translate to translate da te pluknam into Serbian which I know should have been the other way round to have the full effect of the joke but I wasn’t sure if it was exactly the same in Serbian.

Get real you racist pricks. Your comments were very clear with no ambiguity about what you think a true Macedonian is.

I don’t subscribe to your point of view. I think Macedonians are true Macedonians regardless of which part they come from. The only untrue Macedonians are the traitors like Crvenkovski.

[julie]

The argument that Macedonia needs the EU to be an attractive trading partner and attractive to foreign investment is both stupid and exactly what the myth Sayers want you to beleive

Frank, agree with you, we dont need the EU, and sell our souls and beautiful name.
And I understand you when you write

[julie]

OM, you can call me whatever names you want to call me , I know what I am and who I am.
You are insulting and I refuse to use an acronym to define myself by identity or nationality, call yourself what you want.
My sons have not had the misfortune that you have had, they have grown up to be respectful, decent and young men I am proud of, they are my soul, and as for people turning on them , something I taught them, you reap what you sow, if you mouth off, you are asking for trouble and deserve what you cop.
If you called the Macedonians greek, then you deserved to get beaten as far as I am concerned. Calling us Greek, a fellow Macedonian, is actually quite disgusting.
I take offence.
And as for your Serbian quotes of spitting on us, then you are actually showing your true colours and integrity
I have asked for you to refrain from insulting us with that acronym, and most of us on this forum are anti-negotiating our identity.
You dont seem to have an issue with identifying with violence, acronyms and going contra to the Macedonian cause.
Spit on me, call me Greek and insult me in Serbian, well, I really ask how you identify with the Macedonian cause.
Mochkar si ti bratko, prodadena dusha, contra da odish protive svoj narod
I feel sorry for you.

[makedonche]

Oh yeah…
PS With a comment like the don’t be disappointed ect

Us Serbs would like to say

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da te pluknam да те плукнам
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tell me if you need it in greek...i hear from some they are supposed to be the TRUE Macedonians.

OM
Now was this necessary?

[makedonche]

do you think you are a macedonian patriot - in terms of the macedonian cause?

Most oaths of allegiance have some line similar to
Promising to protect the republic from both internal and external foes.

Alerting others to missed info or a misjudgement in a timely manor is acting positively.

OM
You go to great lengths in explanations in many posts, which I enjoy reading most of the time, why is it when I posed the question regarding your patriotism it was evaded or vague at the very least, try and answer the question for me in detail if you wouldn't mind?

True Independence is not having to rely on anybody else!

Hahaha. Everybody relies on other people. Look around you. If we have to start this far back no wonder you cant understand it.

Om
I understand perfectly well, if it means starting that far back to secure our identity and avoid that racist organisation EU and the NATO mob, maybe it is time to go that far back -as you put it, at least it's an uncompromised starting point with a clear identity.

The moment you start relying on others for assistance is the moment you start granting concessions, making allowances, negotiating, compromising

And you never negotiate compromise or make allowances for to anyone do you.hahaha

I do it from a position of having something to offer, other than my identity! can you see the difference?

Countries are just the same…they negotiate compromise and make allowances for.
Quitting the name talks sounds like its the victory in itself to a lot of people on this forum but it is not the end of the bigger game.

Nobody said it was the end game - quite the opposite - it's the beginning game, from a point where we are then happy to progress forward - but not at the expense of our identity.

Its starting to make a bit more sense to me now Lennie.

This is simple, it's staring you in the face and you don't see it! The products are labelled according to the country of origin - ROM - if that doesn't suit - don't buy the product!

Great for those Greeks living close to the border. What if your products don’t get to enter Europe or UK usa ect. Oh and by the way what if the eu becomes Serb an Albania as well as the Bulgarians and Greece.

Guess what if the products don't get out that may actually be a smart move - make them affordable and people will come to get them - do you need me to enlighten you of the benefits of that happening? If Serbia, Albania, join Greece & Bulgaria in EU, that's great we then have to stand alone without these pilferring lying pricks, see any benefit in that?


our arses maybe? is that plan B?

Well…Greeks do have Greek style.
But NO. Plan B is cut and run and trade with the east.

Why cut and run? Stand up and say no " This is Macedonia, that's how we do things here", trade with the east/ why not trade with anyone who wants to trade, not just the east!

Don't be disappointed, the Egejski Macedonians are the real Macedonians!

And the TRUTH comes out.

I thought you'd like this one - it was tongue in cheek, all Macedonians are real Macedonians, it's just that some of us (Egejci) are more real than others! lol

PS…Just so you know shutting everything down now or in the past is the fastest way to pissing the rights of the Macedonians in the occupied territories.
Stop with the shutting down stuff! nobody is talking shutting down and closing doors!

Many Macedonians were forced to move for a better life/opportunities/survival - let me ask you this how many have remained loyal to the Macedonian identity?

Never taken a head count…don’t know.
There's a worthwhile project for you!

We here at the MTO hold truth to be valuable - proving anything to the MTO about genetics is nice, being aligned with the Macedonian Cause is the only proof we need!

Is this anything like feeling Greek makes you Greek.
After reading the previous stuff I got to laughing so much I couldn’t help myself with the last statement.
Ill plead a laughing fit.

" Is this anything like feeling Greek makes you Greek" very poor choice of terminology, had I not had thick skin I would have taken great offence at this - and no it's not the same - check the Macedonian Cause thread and show me where it is similar to your comments. Laughing fit? - about which part? the MTO Macedonian Cause?