Macedonia throughout the centuries

[Chicho Makedonski]

19th century

My father during our childhood was telling us many tales, some of them about King Marko and about Tsar Alexander – Alexander the Great. Kuzman Shapkarev collector and recorder of Macedonian folklore

Is there any source for the Shapkarev statement?

Also I read a while back, someone on another platform said Shapkarev had poems about the Macedonian kingdom of Alexander and how his descendants have to fight for their liberty once more. But I can’t remember where I read it.

Does anyone have any other statements from Shapkarev about Macedonian ancestors?

[TrueMacedonian]

page 13

[Soldier of Macedon]

Can you scan and post the pages here? Does it tell in which particular texts from Prlichev and Tsepenkov that these quotes come from?

IoM or anybody else that has Donski's book, can you scan the relevant pages and post them here?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Can you scan and post the pages here? Does it tell in which particular texts from Prlichev and Tsepenkov that these quotes come from?

[I of Macedon]

This is a good thread, and absolutely worth another read.

I of Macedon, do you have a link for the below quotes, or at least a reference so I can know in which texts to look for them?

Aleksander Donski - The descendants of Alexander the Great of Macedon... pages 229 - 233

[Soldier of Macedon]

This is a good thread, and absolutely worth another read.

I of Macedon, do you have a link for the below quotes, or at least a reference so I can know in which texts to look for them?

“Mother Macedonia is very weakened. After she gave birth to the great Alexander, after she bore Saints Cyril and Methodius, since those labours mother Macedonia lays on her bed terribly exhausted. But a mother that bore such sons, in the future will bear others like them…She will produce many other Cyrils and Methodiuses, who will be the beacons of light of our schools and pillars of our faith and will restore the fame of the Macedonian name!”

Gligor Prlichev, Macedonian Poet, intellectual and activist, 1885

“Consider, dear children, the great Tsar Alexander, whom we venerate until the present day!”

Marko Tsepenkov, Folklore compiler, 1899

“There at Pindus and Shar, at Struma and Vardar where everything is covered by deep wounds, noble descendants of the Great Alexander, are fighting heroically against centuries long tyranny.”

Peter Zagorov, Poet, 1903

[I of Macedon]

Bump, worth reading again.

[Serdarot]

1596, Nomenclator omnium rerum propria nomina septem diversis linguis explicata ...
Von Adrian de Jonge Junius



(a)EdeSSa - Macedonian - > Vodena

published in year1596

Valona / Velona, Macedonian City and Name



Elyma / Kanina



or this

[I of Macedon]

The Macedonian committee is the strongest unauthorised political organisation in the world. No more striking evidence is needed to show that it controls the entire government at Sofia than the fact that the murders of Bulgarian officials perpetrated by its agents go practically unpunished.

However, further in the article one would notice that despite the Macedonian cry in quotations (see below) the religious system (Millet) is followed to identify the Macedonians nationality. In other words don’t listen to how the Macedonians identify themselves just ignore them all together…typical.

In spite of the cry of the Macedonian Revolutionary Committee “Macedonia for the Macedonians,” that Turkish province is actually inhabited by Bulgarians, Greeks, Servians…. In addition to the question of nationality is one of religion…

New York Times, Feb 15 1903

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B0CE4DC1130E733A25756C1A9649C946297D6CF

[TrueMacedonian]

Very soon a man emerged from a pile of branches and came near us. He looked nervous and confused and hesitated in his speech. "Please," I said, "Tell us, are you Christian bandits of Turks?"
"Oh," he said "We are a mixture of faiths and nationalities. Among us are Bulgarians and Albanians, Serbs and Macedonians. We even have a Jew with us. But we are no bandits. You shall know very soon why you were captured."

The unpublished memoirs of Madame Tsilka who was kidnapped along with the infamous Miss Ellen Stone. Date is 1901. The man Tsilka wrote about was none other than Jane Sandanski.

[TrueMacedonian]

A Macedonian by Birth:

It has been reported that during the 14th century, one of Dushans generals had been a man named "Helja" who was "a Macedonian by birth".

Source, The Macedonian Historical Themes, by Lazar Mojsov, page 80

Pelister I think the man in question here is called Hrelya or Relya.


page 26

[TrueMacedonian]

IOM this is a great thread btw. Keep'em coming.

[TrueMacedonian]

The synod records of the Ohrid Archbishopric at the beginning of the 13th century contain the words;

Ivan Ierakar by birth Macedonian

[I of Macedon]

“Tsar Alexander three hundred years before Christ with Macedonians had conquered the whole universe … And today in the Macedonian Kingdom our brothers suffer Because we are th only ones left in slavery Therefore we also want our own fatherland…Brother Macedonians of Orthodox faith, lets unite and courageously fight, the same as our ancestors led by Tsar Alexander, to revive the old glory.”

Giorgi Pulevski “Macedonian Fairy” 1878

“Mother Macedonia is very weakened. After she gave birth to the great Alexander, after she bore Saints Cyril and Methodius, since those labours mother Macedonia lays on her bed terribly exhausted. But a mother that bore such sons, in the future will bear others like them…She will produce many other Cyrils and Methodiuses, who will be the beacons of light of our schools and pillars of our faith and will restore the fame of the Macedonian name!”

Gligor Prlichev, Macedonian Poet, intellectual and activist, 1885

“Consider, dear children, the great Tsar Alexander, whom we venerate until the present day!”

Marko Tsepenkov, Folklore compiler, 1899

“There at Pindus and Shar, at Struma and Vardar where everything is covered by deep wounds, noble descendants of the Great Alexander, are fighting heroically against centuries long tyranny.”

Peter Zagorov, Poet, 1903

[Bij]

interesting thread.

there is also a document put together by Risto Stefov of the same type of nature, for those of you who might not have had a chance to see it

http://www.oshchima.com/Historical%20Documents/hdoc1.pdf

it did bring up a few questions for me though. generally, when a person writes their own history (something they've witnessed first hand) they are considered a great primary source. herodotus wrote (essentially) fairytales, yet is still considered the father of history. however, when a Macedonian writes about their own history, they are considered heretics, biased, manipulators, propagandists. why is this??

also, you can come across many writings and extensive works in favour of the Macedonian cause by the (so-called) enemies (ie, Greeks Serbs Bulgars Germans etc) but I've never seen a Macedonian go to battle for the flipside of the coin, other than a few sensational and out of context statements made by politicians and rambling professors who think they know better. surely his has to something?