The Ilinden Uprising

[Soldier of Macedon]

I don't believe that the Macedonian word Komiti derives from the Turkish word Komitadji but rather both derive, as you correctly point out, from the English words for 'committee member'. By default, all Macedonian fighters belonged to the Macedonian Committee, i.e. Makedonski Komitet and were therefore all known as Komiti.

Here is a discussion on the topic from some years ago:

https://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3040

[Karposh]

Komiti (from the Turkish Komitadji, meaning 'committee member) is the term usually used. Četnici (or Chetnik, meaning a member of a četa/armed band) was commonly used historically as well.

I don't believe that the Macedonian word Komiti derives from the Turkish word Komitadji but rather both derive, as you correctly point out, from the English words for 'committee member'. By default, all Macedonian fighters belonged to the Macedonian Committee, i.e. Makedonski Komitet and were therefore all known as Komiti.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

What would be the closest ‘military’ name for the Macedonian revolutionaries and freedom fighters? They were kind of soldiers but not in an army, in the Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation. Perhaps just Macedonian revolutionary soldiers would be the closest military explanation for them.

Komiti (from the Turkish Komitadji, meaning 'committee member) is the term usually used. Četnici (or Chetnik, meaning a member of a četa/armed band) was commonly used historically as well.

[Vangelovski]

What would be the closest ‘military’ name for the Macedonian revolutionaries and freedom fighters? They were kind of soldiers but not in an army, in the Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation. Perhaps just Macedonian revolutionary soldiers would be the closest military explanation for them.

I think Komiti is the word you're looking for. Or do you mean in English?

[Risto the Great]

Partisan works for me.

[Chicho Makedonski]

What would be the closest ‘military’ name for the Macedonian revolutionaries and freedom fighters? They were kind of soldiers but not in an army, in the Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation. Perhaps just Macedonian revolutionary soldiers would be the closest military explanation for them.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Watch this clip. It has the testimonies of Macedonians from Kruševo who were contemporaries of the Ilinden revolutionaries. One of the ladies makes reference to an event she attended where some of the leaders were gathered in a house to discuss the uprising. She said that an attendee exclaimed "Long live brotherly Bulgaria". Pitu Guli got up angrily and said "What brotherly Bulgaria! We came out for Macedonia. We didn't come out for brotherly Bulgaria!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjivEeuLbU&feature=youtu.be

The individual that was chastised by Pitu Guli may have been one of those people that actually believed the lie that Bulgaria would militarily support the revolutionaries as they attempted to liberate Macedonia.

[Carlin]

French wikipedia entry on Vangel Dinu (Dunu):

Vangel Dinu was a young Vlach from Kruševo, then in the Ottoman Empire, who was elected prime minister of the republic of the same name on August 3, 1903, during the Ilinden uprising aimed at the emancipation of Macedonia from the Ottoman Empire.

He led this entity, chaired by Nikola Karev, with Teohari Nescu, Georgi Cace, Pitu Guli also from the city's Vlach community. The Ottoman gendarmerie violently repressed this movement on August 13, 1903.

URL:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vangel_Dunu

According to Serbian "Balcanica", on page 300 it is explained that in 1895 the VMRO committee branch was formed in Kruševo which featured the following prominent members Taki Liapu, Teoharaki Kihailu, Kola Boiadzi, Tircu Stavre Borjar, Tega Hertu, Pitu Gaki Skaperda, Laki Gorcu, and many others who fought for liberation from the Turks.

It also explains how the city council, which elected the temporary government, consisted of several ministers and the president/PM of the government; the names being the same as specified above in the French wikipedia entry on Vangel Dinu.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Whilst I have no evidence on handy, I have encountered this quite a few times over the last year or so that Germany assisted the Ottomans during the uprising.

[Carlin]

Germany's role in crushing Ilinden

In 1912 an unnamed Western diplomat writing for an American newspaper claimed that he had first hand knowledge of Germany's role in crushing the Ilinden Uprising: "in 1903 the Macedonian insurrection had to be suppressed by the German government," he wrote.

Please see link for full aricle:

https://teamuzunovmedia.blogspot.com/2018/08/germanys-role-in-crushing-ilinden.html

The link/article has many images, pictures and screenshots so it's not easy to copy and paste everything.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

The uprising outside the Manastır Vilayet

[VMRO]

The Ilinden Uprising from the Greek point of view.

The following is a set of various segments put together for the purpose of this article on Krushevo from the upcoming book Macedonia, A Pass to Time, A Bridge to Infinity, (© 2014) by Marcus Alexander Templar.

URL:

http://vlahofonoi.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-myth-of-liberation-1903-peoples.html

The Myth of Liberation: 1903 - The “People’s Republic of Krushevo”

Wow Marcus Templar, he is one looney toon who has a small following of Ancient Hellene descendants on Social Media who believe they're Spartans.

[Carlin]

The Ilinden Uprising from the Greek point of view.

The following is a set of various segments put together for the purpose of this article on Krushevo from the upcoming book Macedonia, A Pass to Time, A Bridge to Infinity, (© 2014) by Marcus Alexander Templar.

URL:

http://vlahofonoi.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-myth-of-liberation-1903-peoples.html

The Myth of Liberation: 1903 - The “People’s Republic of Krushevo”

[Soldier of Macedon]

Posts moved here from the below thread:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8660&page=9

Here is something interesting. This photo is from around 1893 (or perhaps some time a little later), pictured are Dame Gruev (left) and his two friends, Grigor Popev (middle) and Aleksandar Panov (right). The note below the picture says that Popev and Panov were disguised in "Arnaut" clothing as they travelled through western Macedonia. Just because there are pictures of Macedonian revolutionaries presumably dressed as ethnic Albanians doesn't mean they were ethnic Albanians themselves. In this case, as in no doubt many others, they were merely using the dress of the enemy (or a population that the Ottomans didn't find hostile) to pass through areas undetected.

[Soldier of Macedon]

I would say that the majority of Albanians were indifferent to the Uprising.. do you have proof that the majority were against it as you say??

The majority of ethnic Albanians in Macedonia were Muslim. The majority of Muslims in western Macedonia were ethnic Albanian. In the Ottoman Empire, the Muslims held a privileged position above the Christians. Ottoman troops were almost always accompanied by militias made up of local Muslims, the so-called 'bashibazouk' - which, in the case of western Macedonia, would have been overwhelmingly ethnic Albanian. These are all facts. Whilst not all Muslim / ethnic Albanian men in western Macedonia may have fought against the Macedonian revolutionaries, to suggest that most of them were indifferent to the prospect of losing their 'status' as a result of the Christian majority governing the country is a blatant disregard for logic.

Ok let's just say that "weapons were also supplied by Albanians" Due to there being to detailed itinerary on weapon stocks and ethnic background of their origin.. :-p We have no documented proof either way do we?

Not OK. First you ramble on about the cherry cannon and now, again, you modify your position by making it more generic, edging ever closer to irrelevance. If there is no documented proof either way then how can you refer to a "detailed itinerary on weapon stocks and ethnic background of their origin", whatever that means?

I was referring to Vlado Popovski's comments that there are indications that he was Albanian...Why would Vlado Popovski make that up?

You're the one using his comments to support your perspective yet you can't even refer to the sources on which these comments are based. The link you provided earlier is no good and I cannot find this article on google. Apparently he made the statement to an Albanian-language newspaper. It shouldn't be too difficult for you to find. Post another link to it here if able and we can go through it in more detail.

Ok what communities were involved in the 20 20 20 split then? If Albanians weren't involved..I already sent you the wiki link quoting multiple sources

You're twisting things again. I never said ethnic Albanians weren't involved. It is you that said the parliament was made up of 20 Macedonians, 20 Vlachs and 20 Albanians. That is a LIE which even your own wiki link doesn't support. According to what you copied and pasted in your previous post, the three groups, each of whom provided 20 representatives, were made up of (1) pro-Romanian Vlachs, (2) adherents to the Patriarchate and (3) adherents to the Exarchate. If ethnic Albanians were present anywhere at all it would have been as a very small contingent of the Patriarchate group, because ethnographic statistics from the time clearly point to ethnic Albanians being a numerically insignificant element in Krusevo when compared to Macedonians and Vlachs.

Seriously is that the best you have on this.. Using hooligan Shkendija chants as academia..Let's not get into soccer chanting.. where Macedonians and Serbs started the while "ubi ubi shiptari" chants Not to mention "gas Chambers for the Albanians" or "mrtov shiptar dobar shiptar" to mention a few..

Unsurprisingly, you've missed the point. The reason why I used that example is to demonstrate how misleading it is when ethnic Albanians like yourself pretend that religion isn't always a factor for your people. Those Shkendija supporters were making anti-Christian chants, which, by default, would be insulting to ethnic Albanians who are Christian. That seems to be common among your lot in Macedonia. Perhaps things are different in Albania, but in the late 19th century your fellow Muslim Albanians helped the Ottomans slaughter Christian Albanians in the Mirdite region.

Obviously the highest positions were held Muslims.. but there were other influential religious and Rum - Milet christian leaders involved..

Most of them were Muslims and as I stated before, they didn't withhold their support for the uprising because it was "disorganized and underfunded", as you suggested previously, but rather because they didn't want to relinquish their privileged position above Christians. And the influence of Christian Albanians in the governing structure of the Ottoman Empire is practically non-existent compared to the many influential positions held by Muslim Albanians.

White caps indicate Albanians..

White skull caps, not white caps in general. Are you suggesting that no other Balkan peoples wore white caps?

Oh and just coincidence maybe but why is this guy on the Ilinden flag wearing a white skull cap and want seems to be a very Albanian looking traditional outfit?

http://makedonija.name/images/histor...nden_zname.jpg

Oh no, he's an Albanian!!! You're a clown, lol. There is a difference between a simple white cap and a skull cap (which you can't even identify in that flag or the picture you posted earlier). And most traditional Balkan outfits look similar. What exactly about the outfit in the flag is "very Albanian" and not used by Macedonians?