Documents of Macedonian Immigration

[Daskalot]

the message is quite clear to anyone except our Greek friends, Macedonians exist.

[Risto the Great]

Isn't it abundantly clear that Macedonians have been around much longer than Tito can take credit for. I find these kinds of threads have achieved this purpose many times over and have a cumulative effect that is making less and less of an impact now.

The argument for a Greek identity if infinitely more difficult than the Macedonian one. You can be a Greek if you are part of the Orthodox church, you speak any one of a number of languages, you have diverse customs which are abandoned at some time in your history and sometimes rely on a "feeling". Not very objective at all. Let those former cultural identities prove their Greekness by confirming their cultural practices from over 100 years ago. What have THEY given up to become Greeks? It is almost a pre-requisite to give up something to be a modern Greek. If they were more honest about the modern Greek identity, it would be far more palatable to hear their dribble.

[voden-lerin]

The "New Immigration"


In 1890, the third and last great wave of European immigration to America began. Derisively labelled "new immigrants" to distinguish them from earlier Northern European immigrants, six million Catholics, Jews, and Orthodox Christians from Southern, Central and Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and the Middle East entered the United States over the next 30 years. Most Orthodox Christians in North America are descended from one or more of these Albanian, Arab, Belarussian, Bulgarian, Cossack, Estonian, Georgian, Greek, Greek Catholic (Uniate), Gypsy, Macedonian, Montenegrin, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, or Ukrainian "new immigrants.

http://www.oca.org/MVorthchristiansnamerica.asp?SID=1&Chap=CH2

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The CPP began officially in Canada in Toronto, Ontario, on 5 January 1930 in the Macedonian Hall.
Croatian and Macedonian immigrants, because of the similar positions that their respective compatriots had within Yugoslavia, established good and friendly relations. Both groups oposed the regime in Yugolsavia in particular because it suppressed their civil liberties in their respective homelands. Soon after the party was founded formally in Canada, local chapters began to appear in locales with sizable numbers of Croatian immigrants.

http://www.learningmigration.com/fil...o%20Ethnic.doc

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Beginnings of the
Ukrainian Settlement
in Toronto, 1903-14

In 1908 John A. Kolesnikoff, a native of Kherson, southern Ukraine, was hired by the Baptist Home Mission Board for missionary work among Ukrainians, Poles, Russians, Bulgarians and Macedonians. He opened three missions in Toronto-one at 426 King Street East, where he resided with his family and where the main activities took place, the second at 10 1/2 Alice Street, which was later moved to Elizabeth Street and then to York Street, and the third was opened in 1913 on Dundas Street in West Toronto. The last two were for Ukrainians, Poles and Russians and, beside the regular Bible readings, offered reading-rooms with various publications and evening courses in English and native languages.

http://www.tgmag.ca/magic/mt43.html

[TrueMacedonian]

More youtube vids on the Macedonian Immigrants topic from MTO. Thanks again SunFromGovrlevo

YouTube - Macedonian imigration 1
YouTube - Macedonian imigration PART 2

[Soldier of Macedon]

I will say it again TM, excellent stuff, and great that you have worked to consolidating the information in one place, which will make it easier for reference purposes when the time comes

[Risto the Great]

I did not see Macedonian mentioned once in that Youtube production.
My name is Hristo Blindakis.

[TrueMacedonian]

page 175


Scopia??? Or Skopje???

[Bratot]

The Macedonian-American Society ALEXANDER THE GREAT

Registered as:
The Macedonian-American Society
ALEXANDER THE GREAT
Columbus, Ohio
Organized March 9th, 1938







PREAMBLE
"We the Macedonians from Macedonia, part of the former Turkish empire, immigrants in Columbus, Franklin County, Ohio, associate ourselves together in a fraternal, non-political and non-ecclesiastical organization to be called the “Macedonian American Society Alexander the Great” of Columbus, Ohio."




Damn you Tito!

[Bij]

hey, what is colonel sanders doing in the Macedonian-American society?

[Daskalot]

Macedonians arriving at Ellis Island, NY, USA early 20th century!

Many Macedonians fled from the turmoil and fighting ravaging their native land to seek refuge in the United Sates of America.
They first set foot on Ellis Island, New York.

Here are 10 ship manifestos showing the Macedonians. The year of arrival is 1905.

I will continue to post ship manifestos in this thread, stay tuned.

Enjoy!

[Daskalot]

Info about the Manifesto:
Ship: La Gascogne
Arrival date: October 12th 1903

[Daskalot]

Info about the Manifesto:
Ship: Pretoria
Arrival date: November 1st 1907

[Dejan]

Well done Daskalot! The evidence must be shocking to our southern friends

[Pelister]

Australian Document from 1925

This document is interesting because it offers us an insight into how Macedonians are "lost" beneath the weight of various colonial classifiers.

In 1925 the Attorney Generals Deparment filed an investigation into emigrant workers, who had come to Australia expecting to find work, but did not, and who had become distressed about their unemployed status.

The title of file is "Greeks, Macedonians, Jugo-slavs - Unemployed".

I opened the file and found about seven pages of various lists and letters. There is a letter titled "Stranded Greeks in Melbourne" and several references in that letter to "Greeks and Yugoslavs" and even a list of the unemployed emigrants by name. That list is interesting in itself because all the names on it look Greek, and look Serbian, respectively. More interesting is that Mr. Gregarios Econmides "acted as spokeperson for his countrymen", and even provided the list of unemployed men to the officer investigating the mater.

In the letter (21st March, 1925) to the Secretary of the Home and Territories Department, Melbourne, titled "Stranded Greeks in Melbourne", the Officer investigating the matter in more detail had this to say about the list of unemployed "Greeks" (and "Yugoslavs") ...

The immigrants concerned are practially all natives of Macedonia. They are racially more Slavic than Greek, and have become subjects of Greece only during recent years. There has been a lack of sympathy and help extended to them by the Greek community in Melbourne.

With few exceptions these Macedonian immigrants are men under the age of thirtyyears and of an honest hardworking type, although in some cases of a low standard of intellect ...

Mr. Economides, who has acted as spokeman for his countrymen, has sufficient knowledge of English to enable these cases to be plainly stated ...

Just goes to show how easily Macednonians can be "lost" or "disappear" beneath the rather superficial markers imposed on them by Greek and Serbian colonial regimes.

It is interesting how if the matter had not been investigated in more detail, how these "natives of Macedonia" would have been lost to us, or worse been permanently labelled as ethnic "Greeks" and "Serbians".


National Archives of Australia, Item No. 429632

[Soldier of Macedon]

Pelister, that is a strong find mate, well done. Where can we access more, state library?