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The Making of Greece (part 2) - the forced hellenization- .The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot -
Originally posted by Onur View Post
Here they are;
YouTube - Χοροί της Καππαδοκίας - " Κάλενιν - Kalenin "
YouTube - O HOROS TON SPATHION(dance of the swords) from Cappadocia
YouTube - The dance LEILALOUM from Cappadocia
YouTube - Χοροί της Καππαδοκίας - " Βάρα βάρα - Κόνιαλι "
YouTube - KAPPADOKIA # 1
Are these people looking like Greeks to you? If these are true Greeks then who are the rest of Greeks? Ethiopian immigrants? Cuz the difference between them is THAT big. Haha
Last edited by Onur; 12-02-2010, 05:56 PM.Comment
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That's a lie of Turkish propaganda!Such records don't exist!Why don't you show any link?Originally posted by Onur View Post
Your compatriot Ottoman said William Wallace was a Scotsman although he spoke nothing but English.So why couldn't Karamanlides be of Greek origin?Originally posted by Onur View Post
Imagine how unbelievable is the fact that these Muslim Pontians in Turkey managed to preserve their language and customs afte so many centuries they've converted to Islam!Originally posted by Onur View Post
Greeks in Turkey were not treated better:Originally posted by Onur View Post
...and, according to traditions handed down in the old Greek families, any one heard speaking Greek in the public streets had his tongue plucked out.
In many parts of the interior Greeks and other people were forbidden to speak in their native tongue and were obliged to use Turkish
I was talking only about some Turks of the Black Sea (Pontos) region,not all of Anatolia.We don't need any Byzantine archives because it was actually one of them,a Turkish citizen from that region who stated that,in a Turkish newspaperOriginally posted by Onur View Post"What high honour do the Macedonians deserve, who throughout nearly their whole lives are ceaselessly engaged in a struggle with the barbarians for the safety of the Greeks?"
Polybius, Histories, 9.35Comment
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These people are from Cappadocia,they are not Karamanlides!Cappadocians were Greek-speaking people,no relation to Karamanlides.They spoke a specific Greek dialect,though influenced by Turkish but Greek nevertheless:Originally posted by Onur View Post
Here they are;
YouTube - Χοροί της Καππαδοκίας - " Κάλενιν - Kalenin "
YouTube - O HOROS TON SPATHION(dance of the swords) from Cappadocia
YouTube - The dance LEILALOUM from Cappadocia
YouTube - Χοροί της Καππαδοκίας - " Βάρα βάρα - Κόνιαλι "
YouTube - KAPPADOKIA # 1
Are these people looking like Greeks to you? If these are true Greeks then who are the rest of Greeks? Ethiopian immigrants? Cuz the difference between them is THAT big. Haha
However it's strange that a Turk confuses Karamania with Cappadocia!"What high honour do the Macedonians deserve, who throughout nearly their whole lives are ceaselessly engaged in a struggle with the barbarians for the safety of the Greeks?"
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Both Cappadocia and Karaman, Konya is in same region. Only around 100km distance. These people in the videos speaks exact same language as mine. It`s not some kind of fictional Cappadocian Greek dialect. Will you claim that my Turkish is Cappadocian dialect of Greek now???Originally posted by Agamoi Thytai View PostThese people are from Cappadocia,they are not Karamanlides!Cappadocians were Greek-speaking people,no relation to Karamanlides.They spoke a specific Greek dialect,though influenced by Turkish but Greek nevertheless:
However it's strange that a Turk confuses Karamania with Cappadocia!
I dont wanna enter in same boring discussions with every Greek drop by in the forum. Write my nickname and seacrh my earlier posts about Karamanlides then you will find several quotes from Byzantine archives and books.That's a lie of Turkish propaganda!Such records don't exist!Why don't you show any link?
But you said "millions". You claim that there was millions of Greeks only in Blacksea?I was talking only about some Turks of the Black Sea (Pontos) region,not all of Anatolia.
You believe those lies? These are just plain stupid. Everyone was free to speak, preach and educate in his own language in Ottoman Empire. It was an empire ffs, not a nation. How come they do that in three different continents??? Besides that, If we would plucked the tongues of non-Turkish speakers in Anatolia and Balkans for 600 years then every living person there would only speak Turkish by now. Are you dumb enough to not realize this?Greeks in Turkey were not treated better:
...and, according to traditions handed down in the old Greek families, any one heard speaking Greek in the public streets had his tongue plucked out.
In many parts of the interior Greeks and other people were forbidden to speak in their native tongue and were obliged to use Turkish
http://www.archive.org/stream/leaven...arch/forbiddenLast edited by Onur; 12-02-2010, 06:40 PM.Comment
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Agreed Onur. I concur exactly with your posts. Under the Ottoman Empire the Macedonians kept their language, culture, identity.
Greek fascists have almost wiped out with their nazi tactics the Macedonians speaking their lanuage in Aegean Macedonia the last 50 years.
Greeks are fascist anit-christ , they are the ones with the identity issues, being ALbanian and vlachs, a newly formed hellenic tribe , since 1830. There is not such thing as Greek"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse DelchevComment
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Agamoi Thytai how is it possible that Gyros is claimed by the Greeks as a Greek invention while it is the little brother of Doner?
Almost everything that the Greeks claim as their own is something else, why is this?Comment
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well said julie i agree with you wholeheartedly.There is a saying the greeks will appropriate anything & call it their own.There is heaps of examples is the big lie that the greeks are really macedonians.When one examines that one finds how hollow & empty that really is."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
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you must be jokin, or?Originally posted by Agamoi Thytai View Post
Greeks in Turkey were not treated better:
...and, according to traditions handed down in the old Greek families, any one heard speaking Greek in the public streets had his tongue plucked out.
In many parts of the interior Greeks and other people were forbidden to speak in their native tongue and were obliged to use Turkish
Do you know that Macedonian was forbiden language in your demoNcrazy state, that people were tortured and killed if they spoke single word in Macedonian, that your "brave" andarts and other scum were waiting hidden under the window of some Macedonian House and if they heard single Macedonian Word, they would burn the House, kill / rape / expell the residents, in most cases cuting the thong to those who dared to speak Macedonian...???
Do you know that your pathetic Nation of false Christs and false Democrats, destroed THOUSANDS of Churches and Graves?
Do you know that your pathetic Nation is still doing the same?
Do you actualy know, how pathetic your nation is?
Of course you can understand few words of Koine, couse you were all tought to speak "greek"!
But your ancestors are Albanians or Macedonians or Turks or Vlachs or i dont know what, and NONE of them had "Koine" as their MOTHER Language!
Fkn ignorant gayreeks, you should first beg for forgivness before you even dare to create an account on Macedonian Forum...
@ Ottoman: i guess you are not even aware how much Macedonian you have in your own language i guess you are not aware how much Macedonian you have in your Culture.
Even Zurla / Zurna , the traditional Turkish Instrument, is actualy Macedonian Word and instrument.
Even Raki, the traditional Turkish drink, has nothing to do with the original Turks
Even Samovar, the traditional turkish Tee-Cooker, is a Macedonian Word
wrong topic, but if i decide to visit this forum often again, i could help you to realize how much Macedonian you have in your country, culture, language, everything
Last edited by Serdarot; 12-03-2010, 11:05 PM.Bratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.Comment
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Well said Serdarot!!Originally posted by Serdarot View Postyou must be jokin, or?
Do you know that Macedonian was forbiden language in your demoNcrazy state, that people were tortured and killed if they spoke single word in Macedonian, that your "brave" andarts and other scum were waiting hidden under the window of some Macedonian House and if they heard single Macedonian Word, they would burn the House, kill / rape / expell the residents, in most cases cuting the thong to those who dared to speak Macedonian...???
Do you know that your pathetic Nation of false Christs and false Democrats, destroed THOUSANDS of Churches and Graves?
Do you know that your pathetic Nation is still doing the same?
Do you actualy know, how pathetic your nation is?
Of course you can understand few words of Koine, couse you were all tought to speak "greek"!
But your ancestors are Albanians or Macedonians or Turks or Vlachs or i dont know what, and NONE of them had "Koine" as their MOTHER Language!
Fkn ignorant gayreeks, you should first beg for forgivness before you even dare to create an account on Macedonian Forum...
@ Ottoman: i guess you are not even aware how much Macedonian you have in your own language i guess you are not aware how much Macedonian you have in your Culture.
Even Zurla / Zurna , the traditional Turkish Instrument, is actualy Macedonian Word and instrument.
Even Raki, the traditional Turkish drink, has nothing to do with the original Turks
Even Samovar, the traditional turkish Tee-Cooker, is a Macedonian Word
wrong topic, but if i decide to visit this forum often again, i could help you to realize how much Macedonian you have in your country, culture, language, everything"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse DelchevComment
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well said julie people like agamoi have a predertirmined set of propaganda to spread which amazingly falls into greek government propaganda line.Did you notice that there is no acknowledgement of what they did to the macedonians.We don't even exist.We don't get any respect even in our own forums.There is constant denial & paranoia about the past & present,their ongoing campaign to destroy any resemblance of macedonism but at the same time to appropriate any & monopolise anything macedonian for themselves.
People like agamoi actually beleive their brand of history whether it is ancient or modern it is tainted full of lies & distortions & falsehoods.Were not stupid when you deny our identity,our respect,culture,& our history.Agamoi we don't take what is your but what is ours & has been ours for eeons even before greece set foot in greece 3000 years ago from the sudan africa."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
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Agamoi you failed to answer my question posed to you, why? Please answer it.Originally posted by Agamoi Thytai View PostDaskale,here is a short list of intellectuals and other distinguished people who called themselves Hellenes or Graikoi long before 1832
See pages 94-97 from that book:
1)The emperor of the Nicaen kingdom Theodoros Laskaris in 13th century,page 97.
2)His father and predecessor John Vatatzes in 1237,page 96.
3)The philosopher Theodore Metochites,1292 page 96.
4)Patriarch Germanos II,pages 95-96.
5)Emperor Michael Palaeologos,13th century.
6)The philosopher George Gemistos or Plethon in 15th century:
7)Nicholas Cabasilas,14th century theologian,pages 20 and 21 of that book:
8)Athanasios Lepenthrenos,14th century Cypriot scholar,page 21.
9)Demetrios Kydones,14th century Cretan theologian,page 21.
10)John Argyropoulos,15th century scholar,pages 21 and 22.
11)George Gennadius Scholarius,the first Patriarch after the Ottoman conquest,page 22.Even though he rejected the use of the term Hellenes because of its connotations with paganism he nevertheless recognized that he was "a Greek by birth".
12)Lukas Spandonis,15th century Thessalonian nobleman:
13)Andronikos Kallistos,15th century Thessalonian scholar:
14)Georgios Kontaris,17th century scholar from Kozani:
15)George Zaviras from Siatista,author of the books "Hellenic theater or Nea Hellas consisting the history of all learned Greeks since the fall of the nation" in the last years of 18th century,pages 79 and 80 from that book:
16)Daniil Filippidis and Grigorios Konstantas,authors of 'Modern Geography" in 1791:
17)Dimitrios Katartzis,18th century scholar.Although he rejected the use of the term Hellenes because of religious reasons he pointed out that the people who called themselves Romioi have a strong connection to ancient Greeks:
18)Theodosius Zygomalas and Symeon Cabasilas,16th century scholars called Greek the language that was spoken by common people,not romeika:
http://books.google.com/books?id=aHrVAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA557Macedonian Truth OrganisationComment
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Zurna entered Turkish via Persian its not Macedonian.Even Zurla / Zurna , the traditional Turkish Instrument, is actualy Macedonian Word and instrument.
Even Raki, the traditional Turkish drink, has nothing to do with the original Turks
Even Samovar, the traditional turkish Tee-Cooker, is a Macedonian Word
The origins of Raki are not known, all Balkan nations have it.
Samovar is Russian.Comment
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Zurna / Zurla enter Turkish via Persian, it is not Macedonian?
If you knew to speak Macedonian, you would KNOW it is Macedonian.
zURLA
Urla = Screaming, Shouting...
as i can remember, i think there was something like Macedonians conquered the Persian Empire, and ruled with those WASTE / Large territories for many centuries?
Raki - i dont claim it is only Macedonian drink, but good you dont claim it is Turk-only drink
And why "rusian" , about Samovar?
Samo Vari - Macedonian, not Ruski
btw, i might left an impresion of anti-Turk?
if so - wrong impresion, i love Turkey and the Turkish Culture
ask Onur ^^
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like some of you said, it is actualy not so important what was Kemal Malik Ataturk by blood... he is one of the persons that marked the 20th century, and no metter if we are Macedonian, Turk, Greek, we should be proud on him...Bratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.Comment
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Why are all sources on internet stating Zurna as Persian then?
Samovar is stated as Russian.Comment
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