Todor Aleksandrov
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Am I missing something about Aleksandrov? He seems to be a very popular figure and even a favourite amongst many Macedonian patriots both in Macedonia and in the diaspora. Why is he so revered? I can see that he did some good for the cause, but I can also see he did some things which were not very good for the cause and not very Macedonian. This is why I am still a confused when it comes to him and why he seems to be such a favourite from the revolutionary period for many Macedonians.
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The May Manifesto is touched on here by Greek Communist Pantelis Pouliopoulos writing in 1940:
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Anyone know anything about Aleksandrov's actions during the First World War whilst he was serving in the Bulgarian army?
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Letter from Aleksandrov to Mihail Čakov speaking of an independent Macedonia
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VMRO any update on that evidence of the links between MPO and Aleksandrov? Also why do you believe it was the Federalists who screwed up the May Manifesto?
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostPoet Hristo Smirnenski saw Aleksandrov, Protogerov and their followers as "fake autonomists" and "quasi-patriots" who behind them stood the lingering shadow of the Bulgarian bourgeoisie.
https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5...81%D0%BA%D0%B8
VMRO in that period was anti communist so one way to discredit your opponent is to talk negative.
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Originally posted by Carlin15 View PostVicsinad, from one of your earlier posts:
"The MPO further claimed that Pirinsky was not a progressive idealist but a paid communist agent working with left-wing immigrants to confuse the Slavic speaking populations. MPO then revealed Pirinsky’s contacts with Yugoslav, Bulgarian and Soviet communist party members."
MPO revealing Pirinsky's contacts with various communist party members is this legit? What sort of proof did they have?
I did a FOIA request of the FBI for all their files on Pirinsky, and this is where I got much of my information about MPO informants and what they revealed to the FBI. Also, raids on Pirinsky's and MPL's home and place of business revealed many books, documents, letters and correspondences between Pirinsky and communist leaders mentioned above; however, nothing really showed any intent by Pirinsky to bring communism to the US -- it was mostly related to Balkan affairs. The MPO also pointed to MPL newspapers as evidence of Pirinsky's communist ties (the MPL's newspapers would often print messages and articles from Soviet, Bulgarian, Macedonian and Yugoslav communist leaders).
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Vicsinad, from one of your earlier posts:
"The MPO further claimed that Pirinsky was not a progressive idealist but a paid communist agent working with left-wing immigrants to confuse the Slavic speaking populations. MPO then revealed Pirinsky’s contacts with Yugoslav, Bulgarian and Soviet communist party members."
MPO revealing Pirinsky's contacts with various communist party members is this legit? What sort of proof did they have?
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Originally posted by Gocka View PostSandanski is a perfect example. Of what I'm talking about.
Goce Delcev is head and shoulders above the rest because I think he was the only one who really understood everything. His quote on the world being a place of cultural competition is what it all amounts to.
To be Macedonian is a choice, to be Bulgarian or Serbian is a choice. Its always silly when different nationalities argue back and forth about who belongs to who. Delcev understood this, that no nationality just exists, its a choice. It was a competition between competing ideologies. Some ideologies won, some lost, some ideologies could coexist, some couldn't.
People get too wrapped up in the black and white of good and evil. Is he a good guy or a bad guy. Aleksandrov was a man who held his own ideology, and that ideology was at odds with what we understand to be Macedonianism. If we accept Aleksandrov as a hero, then we also have to accept his ideology that was in direct contradiction to the idea of a unique and independent Macedonian identity.
He was Macedonian, who committed acts that hurt the Macedonian cause on more than one occasion. Even if at the end of his life he had a change of heart in relation to autonomy from Bulgaria, that doesn't make him a hero. The same could be said for many Macedonians past and present.
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Great discussion. Really good points of view from everyone involved here.
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostThis is a good point. Thanks for the clarification.
Sandanski was considered by many Macedonians between 1908 and 1915 as traitorous scum because he chose allegiance with the Young Turks over the Bulgarian crown. Sandanski despised Bulgarian nationalism, and many IMRO members and Macedonians during that period were pro-Bulgarian (for whatever reasons). People hated him for that, and for killing off Sarafov.
Goce Delcev is head and shoulders above the rest because I think he was the only one who really understood everything. His quote on the world being a place of cultural competition is what it all amounts to.
To be Macedonian is a choice, to be Bulgarian or Serbian is a choice. Its always silly when different nationalities argue back and forth about who belongs to who. Delcev understood this, that no nationality just exists, its a choice. It was a competition between competing ideologies. Some ideologies won, some lost, some ideologies could coexist, some couldn't.
People get too wrapped up in the black and white of good and evil. Is he a good guy or a bad guy. Aleksandrov was a man who held his own ideology, and that ideology was at odds with what we understand to be Macedonianism. If we accept Aleksandrov as a hero, then we also have to accept his ideology that was in direct contradiction to the idea of a unique and independent Macedonian identity.
He was Macedonian, who committed acts that hurt the Macedonian cause on more than one occasion. Even if at the end of his life he had a change of heart in relation to autonomy from Bulgaria, that doesn't make him a hero. The same could be said for many Macedonians past and present.
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Originally posted by Gocka View Post
Most if not all well known historical figures good and bad, only become good and bad over time and from a certain context. This goes well beyond Macedonia's revolutionary period. If Macedonians eventually leaned towards and were incorporated into Bulgaria, our history books would talk about how evil Delcev and Sandanski were for trying to divide the Bulgarian people.
For our current Macedonian perspective Aleksandrov was not a hero.
Sandanski was considered by many Macedonians between 1908 and 1915 as traitorous scum because he chose allegiance with the Young Turks over the Bulgarian crown. Sandanski despised Bulgarian nationalism, and many IMRO members and Macedonians during that period were pro-Bulgarian (for whatever reasons). People hated him for that, and for killing off Sarafov.
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Originally posted by VMRO View PostActually, i think Todor Panica was a Macedonian... was related to the famous major Kosta Panica who was a famous general in Bulgaria which i remember from some of my readings.
"Who told you that I am a Bulgarian? So do you think, as thousands think? We from VMRO are not Bulgarians! We are Macedonians! I must explain to you tomorrow these things, obligatory, as soon as you, the Communists of Greece, consider us Bulgarians! You should know that you insult us when you say Bulgarians! ... We are Macedonians, I want to understand this! We will keep Pirin Macedonia under our control, temporarily, as we have now, where Tsankov does not dare to attack us. Later, together with the CPB, you and the CPY, we will strive for autonomy for the whole of Macedonia, so that we can make our country, as our first leader Sandanski desired."Last edited by vicsinad; 04-18-2019, 08:57 AM.
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