Originally posted by El Bre
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How Philip II the King of Macedon "united" the Greek cities
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Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
- Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902
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Borza saied Philip united Greeks,with killing tehm and destroieing their homes and towns to the ground.(E.Borza-Macedonia redux)Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
- Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902
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Originally posted by Sarafotthere is no Macedonian name like Stania (Staniev) or Hristo Botev.....mostly we have surnames based on old names,dont you think so?
Originally posted by El BreAnyone know where the gruev in gruevski comes from?In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostI have a friend with the surname Stanisevski, not sure if it is the equivalent of Stanishev, what do you think?
I remember reading that the word Grue or Gruo means a 'rock' of some sort in Macedonian. I will have to re-check on that one, although I know in my family we say Grutka for a type of 'mud rock'.Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
- Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902
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For GRUTKA,i dont know english word,it is grutka like part of earth,part of something,cheese or ice,part of something hard,taff....do you understand me?Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
- Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902
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Originally posted by osiris View Postgrudka is a lump of soil.Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
- Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902
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Originally posted by Sarafot View PostNo, probebly no! Staniša,Slaviša,Ljubiša....pure Serbian,my opinion,surname is Macedonised Serb or Shop origin, probebly.
Regarding the name Gruev, I checked some dictionaries and the earlier mentioned word has the following explanations, GRUTKA; rough lump, clod, GRUTKA SNEG; snowball, GRUTCHEST; clodded, lumpy. There is also another word, GRUVA; to beat, to strike.
So there is:
GRUEV; surname
GRUVA; strike
GRUTKA; rough lump
Looking at them, I would probably have to lean more towards GRUVA at the moment. Or, it may be a loanword from a neighbouring linguistic group, or, it may just be dialectal around the Lerin area as I have known a few people from the past with this noun as the root of their surname, and all of them have been from that area. What do the rest of you think?In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Interesting to note is that the Bulgarian PM Sergei Stanishev has a father with origins from Shutka, hence Macedonian. Further to that point, his mother is Russian, therefore, the current Bulgarian PM is not even a 'Bulgarian' by origin.
You are confirming me,utka is near the border,so probebly his grand father was something like Serb....Not to long ago in all Volgarians had a surname of their grand father,so defenitly his father name vas STANIA,in Macedonian it would be rather STANKO and in Bulgarian STANOILO,but that is not mather for judgeing nationality,my name is ZORAN,many peoples say that is Serb name,but my opinion is diferent,probebly it is Slavohunic or Slavoturkic name,same like STOJAN GORAN MILAN,and then we go ADNAN, HASAN,names were partly turkised,you know lika ZORA and KHAN(ZORKAHN)....in Macedonian the mistake should be corected,becouse names in original might be STOJEN(dostojen) GOREN(??) MILEN (mil-drag)....OPNION?Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
- Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902
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Interesting point Sarafot, the "AN" ending may well be a Turkish remnant. ???
I knew a Bulgarina called "Stancho", so it looks like there are a few options here.Risto the Great
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Looking at them, I would probably have to lean more towards GRUVA at the moment. Or, it may be a loanword from a neighbouring linguistic group, or, it may just be dialectal around the Lerin area as I have known a few people from the past with this noun as the root of their surname, and all of them have been from that area. What do the rest of you think?[/QUOTE]
Hard to find conection,i ask my baba,she saied that is an old name ,which is not used any more,you know like GRUJO,GJORE...perhaps nick,or we should ask our tera nova if there is conection with greek language like most of our names?Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
- Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902
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Just because his surname is Stanishev does not mean his ancestor was a Serb, it could be have been attained in a number of ways, culture influence, close contact living together, etc.
my name is ZORAN,many peoples say that is Serb name,but my opinion is diferent,probebly it is Slavohunic or Slavoturkic name,same like STOJAN GORAN MILAN,and then we go ADNAN, HASAN,names were partly turkised,you know lika ZORA and KHAN(ZORKAHN)....in Macedonian the mistake should be corected,becouse names in original might be STOJEN(dostojen) GOREN(??) MILEN (mil-drag)....OPNION?
Zora(n), Zora = Dawn
Gora(n), Gora = Mountain
Stoja(n), Stoj(a) = Stay, Pose
Mila(n), Mila = Dear
These are all feminine root words in the Macedonian language that have not only turned into female (not sure about Gora) names, but interestingly into male names also. They surely are not Turkic.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostJust because his surname is Stanishev does not mean his ancestor was a Serb, it could be have been attained in a number of ways, culture influence, close contact living together, etc.
I can see your view regarding MILEN rather than MILAN, etc, but the people from the Gora region in Skopje for example are called GORANI, not GORENI, the 'a' comes from the root word.
Zora(n), Zora = Dawn
Gora(n), Gora = Mountain
Stoja(n), Stoj(a) = Stay, Pose
Mila(n), Mila = Dear
These are all feminine root words in the Macedonian language that have not only turned into female (not sure about Gora) names, but interestingly into male names also. They surely are not Turkic.Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
- Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902
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May be,where should we insert this....?
YouTube - Македонска МолитваНие македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
- Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902
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