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Archaeology of the Ancient World
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostI only asked you to define it.
Was it different in antiquity vs more recent history? If it was, I will take both definitions from you please.
You want me to give you a definition of something so badly that you've lost the plot Risto!
If you really want me to give a definition for ethnocide, then please state the period and time of said ethnocide.....is that reasonable enough for you?
Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostI am pretty sure you are not a mind reader. But to test it, let me know what I think of you right now.
Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostHey look at me ... one liners are easy.
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostHere is my take.
The Universities are making fatal definitional assumptions.
Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostEverybody knows there was absolutely no such thing as "Greeks" in the historical time you refer to above.
Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostAs a consequence, there are a significant number of delusional morons who equate many of these ancient races of people with modern Greeks.
Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostInterestingly enough, in complete contrast, there have always been Macedonians.
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Originally posted by George S. View PostTHere was no word for Greeks ntil 1832 when Greece was called Greece
Are you the best and the brightest that Macedonia has to offer George?
Originally posted by George S. View PostIt's a Latin word.
Please remind me what the East calls the Greeks...can you do that for me?
Originally posted by George S. View PostWhat were Greeks called formerly?
Originally posted by George S. View Postthey were called Achaens,then Romaioi,then Hellenes.Now the Greeks are trying to convince everyone that they are really Macedonians.The fact is the Greeks can't make up their mind on their own identity!
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Back to the topic!
THE GOVERNMENT MUSEUM AND ART GALLERY
Chandigarh, India
THE GRECO-BUDDHIST ART OF GANDHARA
When Alexander of Macedon died in 323 B.C., a number of his generals set up independent kingdoms. The whole of Western Asia, (present-day Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan) became Hellenistic; Greco-Roman fashions, customs and art, coins, language and dresses dominated. Most people were Asians, many intermarried with Greeks and Romans. New religions sprang up, among them Mithraism, Isis-worship, Manichaeism, and also Christianity.
About the 1st century B.C. a large number of these foreigners settled in the Buddhist border kingdom of Gandhara that stretched from the Kabul valley to Rawalpindi. Most of these settlers were converted to Buddhism, built monasteries, temples and stupas, and created a vigorous art movement, the so-called Greco-Buddhist art of Gandhara. Though superficially there were Greco-Roman elements in this art, it was essentially an Indian art. These Hellenistic elements continued under the Central Asian rulers, the Kushanas, who conquered Mathura and Gandhara by the 2nd century A.D.
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my dearest afterhours,
yes, i have been to greece. both proper and aegean, but the real question is, have you ever been to Macedonia?
also, you harp on about the ancients and sticking strictly to ancient sources, yet you have only provided like 5 sources that you keep repeating. yet, these sources are not ancient at all. in fact, they are pretty much postmodern in their views (despite their subjects being rather old). this then makes views in threat of becoming a little bit didactic. it is very clear your intention here is to be a jerk off, but if you are really a man after my heart, how about varying up your sources a bit?
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Originally posted by AfterhoursShould I not respond then when other posters are addressing my posts?
How exactly would you like me to conduct myself in the future?
Southern Greek colonies were also created in Epirus where other Greeks lived.
So material evidence and archaeology of the ancient world are not enough shreds to prove otherwise?
I'm not suggesting anything...the museums that I've posted are doing all the suggesting.
Your links about Pyrrhus and Epirus are best saved for your ethnic Albanian friends, as I stated earlier. The fact remains, where it concerns the Molossians; only from the 5th century BC are they known to receive actual Hellenic influence, everything prior being largely based on myth. Same as the Macedonians and many others that lived north of the Hellenic city-states.
Not at all, but that's not exactly what these "selected" museums are saying.
Show me what makes the Macedonians more Hellenic than Thracians and Illyrians. Can you do this, or am I asking for too much?In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by AfterhoursThere were definitely Greek colonies spread out throughout the Mediterranean, but to say that Koine became a lingua franca 350 years before Alex the Great was born and centuries before Koine was even created is just not accurate.
Why would Hellenes colonise Asian and distant European coasts prior to Macedonia and other nearby non-Hellenic territories? Where are the Hellenic colonies 'from' Macedonia to Asian and European coasts during the 7th century BC? How did the Macedonians remain ignorant "Hellenes" while the others progressed? Was it easier for an Athenian to travel 1000km by sea than it was for a Macedonian to travel south by land for a few 100km? Let's get to the core of your argument.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Bij View Postmy dearest afterhours,
yes, i have been to greece. both proper and aegean,
Originally posted by Bij View Postbut the real question is, have you ever been to Macedonia?
Originally posted by Bij View Postalso, you harp on about the ancients and sticking strictly to ancient sources, yet you have only provided like 5 sources that you keep repeating.
I have more if you'd like!
Originally posted by Bij View Postyet, these sources are not ancient at all. in fact, they are pretty much postmodern in their views (despite their subjects being rather old).
Originally posted by Bij View Postthis then makes views in threat of becoming a little bit didactic. it is very clear your intention here is to be a jerk off,
Originally posted by Bij View Postbut if you are really a man after my heart, how about varying up your sources a bit?
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostLike a sensible person, you know exactly what I am talking about so don't smartass around. Use a single post when responding to an individual's single post, not with multiple three-liner posts. It is a waste of space and dilutes the significance of the information on the thread. I am sure you can manage that.
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostWhen? Where in Epirus? Which Hellenes already in Epirus? Which Hellenes from the south? Important questions, appreciate an answer to them..
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostYou are the one who made the false suggestion that there were people who underwent Hellenization as early as, or prior to, the 8th century BC. There is no evidence for this, period. If you have something that the rest of us in the world have not yet been 'enlightened' with, then go ahead and share it.
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostYour links about Pyrrhus and Epirus are best saved for your ethnic Albanian friends, as I stated earlier. The fact remains, where it concerns the Molossians; only from the 5th century BC are they known to receive actual Hellenic influence, everything prior being largely based on myth. Same as the Macedonians and many others that lived north of the Hellenic city-states.
The proof is in the pudding, and I already provided valid sources (primary mind you!) for you to peruse at your own liesure!
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostThe opinion of "selected" museums does not outweigh the obvious facts.
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostNot only Macedonians, but Thracians, Illyrians and other non-Hellenes did use the Hellenic language for certain purposes, and this happened due to a lack of such a literary tradition in the native languages (Macedonian, Thracian, Illyrian, etc).
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostShow me what makes the Macedonians more Hellenic than Thracians and Illyrians. Can you do this, or am I asking for too much?
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostYou are playing with terminology. Granted, Koine wasn't in existence but Hellenic dialects and the language itself were
NOT playing with terminology! In fact, it was one of your compatriots that stated that Koine existed 350 years before the Hellenistic Era even began!
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostWhy would Hellenes colonise Asian and distant European coasts prior to Macedonia and other nearby non-Hellenic territories? Where are the Hellenic colonies 'from' Macedonia to Asian and European coasts during the 7th century BC? How did the Macedonians remain ignorant "Hellenes" while the others progressed? Was it easier for an Athenian to travel 1000km by sea than it was for a Macedonian to travel south by land for a few 100km? Let's get to the core of your argument.
They just were! They (like their Epirot brothers) were Hellenistic right off the bat!
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Originally posted by afterhours View PostNOT playing with terminology! In fact, it was one of your compatriots that stated that Koine existed 350 years before the Hellenistic Era even began!
They just were! They (like their Epirot brothers) were Hellenistic right off the bat!
When? Where in Epirus? Which Hellenes already in Epirus? Which Hellenes from the south? Important questions, appreciate an answer to them.
I was referring to Greek colonization.
"Myth" or not, they nonetheless considered themselves Greeks.
Does select museums mean no museums at all? Cause the opinion of The Louvre and The Hermitage provide ample facts!
Thracian and Illyrian already had documented languages....where was the Macedonian?
The Thracians and Illyrians were Hellenized, whereas the Macedonians just had Hellenism handy!In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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i won't sit here and argue about greek women and their looks. i spent too much time in gym class in high school with the hairy moles and have nothing nice to say
afterhours, you have posted the getty, met, blah blah blah repeatedly. do widen your base. there is more to ancient history than these sources.
reading your posts here, i sincerely have the feeling that you weren't banned for that reason from maknews.
so lets get to the point. WHY are you posting these links? surely its not because you think they're pretty. you have an agenda, why don't you make it clear so we can get to the core of why you're really here.
off topic - do you dj house music? are you from detroit or windsor? Bitola is my hometown so it naturally is a place i'm partial to, but Ohrid has some awesome dj's spinning there annually. Worth checking out IMHO. I've seen Bob Sinclair, Eric Prydz in Ohrid and Sandra Collins and Marco Mei in BT.Last edited by Bij; 11-09-2009, 02:14 AM.
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