The traitor Veljan Slavevski from Recica

[Jankovska]

Why are the descendants of Veljan not speaking up, and telling us how it is? Veljan's doings cannot be undone they are recorded in history, but some light could be shed on why he did it.

Look the guy was a traitor to the Macedonain people and country and his name should be repeated and no one should be afraid to do so because that is the only way people can know that we are our worse enemy and young generations will learn from this. I don't care if his family is offended by it, I am offended that young heros died because of this man. If someone from my family did something like that I will not just come out and attack them, I will spit on their grave if I find it.
The present family of this scum are not at any fault and nothing should be held against them. If however anyone is posting PMs and asking people to delete what they have posted just proves they are nothing better than the scum bag of great grandfather they had.
However we should give them a chance and space. It's not very easy to find out your great parents were cowards and traitors.

[Daskalot]

Is it fair for everybody with the surname of Slavevski to wear this stigma?

Why are the descendants of Veljan not speaking up, and telling us how it is? Veljan's doings cannot be undone they are recorded in history, but some light could be shed on why he did it.

[Soldier of Macedon]

We'll unless he justifies his actions on the public forums rather than hiding in the dark, he is not of sound character in my books.

Шо се криате бе Славче, сакаш да исправиш работа ама не идиш пред сите да си е покажиш и докажиш страната? Каков однос е тоа бе? Кои и каков чоек праи така? Ќе одговориш или ме чекаш мене да ти кажам?

[julie]

Here is the talk on this individual's profile page, 'Sky':

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/member.php?u=387

Sky, join the public forum and state your case.

I too am unsure of this person, read my profile page.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Here is the talk on this individual's profile page, 'Sky':

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/member.php?u=387

Sky, join the public forum and state your case.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Ok, I have just received some updates on the matter.

Can this descendant of Veljan, if indeed a member of the MTO, please make your statements and arguments known here on this thread.

And I will advise this individual that while we seek objectivity here at the MTO by trying to relay all sides of the story and distinguish that which is fiction from fact, we will under no circumstances accept 'silent' members making threats against our members here because they do not agree with what is being written. You do nothing for your ancestor by behaving in such a way, and if you have evidence contrary to the common stories and songs recorded about your ancestor, that disproves what has been historically known to Macedonians, then do reveal them to us so we can hear your side of the story. Otherwise, this cloak and dagger act taking place behind closed doors doesn't draw a favourable or honest picture of yourself or your ancestor.

If any member receives such a PM from this individual, please notify MTO administration immediately.

[Risto the Great]

If this person was/is a member, the appropriate action would be to provide any alternative perspectives in relation to this matter on this very thread. Let them defend their stance here.

[Soldier of Macedon]

GeorgeS, were you threatened to delete the comments you posted? That was not my understanding, but if it is the case, please advise.

[VMRO]

By the way, i'm not trying to start fictions, just wanted to put my stand on this topic out there for the descendants of Veljan predavnikot or anyone else that is "Offended" by this topic.

As for the stigma, ask anyone who is from Recica and not a Slaveski descendant, they will tell you things how other Macedonians react when they find out they're from Recica because of this Predavnik over 100 years ago.

Just like the song about Gjorgi Sugarev, original lyrics has predavnici Paralovci, labelling all Paralovci as predavnici, when in reality it was Petre Ligushev who betrayed Sugarev, however some people blame Paralovci just because Petre Ligushev was from Paralovo.

[VMRO]

Yes, well the song refers only to Veljan of Recica, not everybody in Recica, and Veljan's relatives aren't the only one's that have that surname.

As for people trying to intimidate, come on mate, let's not start creating fictions. Do you have a specific example of one of his descendants using 'intimidation' against somebody here to delete information? I doubt you have anything other than speculation, which I take it is based on George's recent posts concerning the topic. Have you been threatened yourself? If so, please alert us to who this is and we can address the matter through our administrative channels here, as that sort of behaviour will not be tolerated, and will be brought to the attention of the appropriate persons and/or bodies for their action.

What information has been deleted about Veljan? You have me interested.

You're correct, it is George_S that told me that, apparently some idividual with the username sky messaged him stating the above things i said in my post.

my post is based on what George_S told me, George has deleted all his posts in this thread, the one's he posted about his ancestor being one of the komiti who died becaue of the predavnik veljan slaveski, Rogi also deleted his posts.

I have not been approached by anyone yet, and nobody whether they threaten me with legal action or whatsoever can change my posts on this predavnik.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Yes, well the song refers only to Veljan of Recica, not everybody in Recica, and Veljan's relatives aren't the only one's that have that surname.

As for people trying to intimidate, come on mate, let's not start creating fictions. Do you have a specific example of one of his descendants using 'intimidation' against somebody here to delete information? I doubt you have anything other than speculation, which I take it is based on George's recent posts concerning the topic. Have you been threatened yourself? If so, please alert us to who this is and we can address the matter through our administrative channels here, as that sort of behaviour will not be tolerated, and will be brought to the attention of the appropriate persons and/or bodies for their action.

What information has been deleted about Veljan? You have me interested.

[VMRO]

Is it fair for everybody with the surname of Slavevski to wear this stigma?

No it's not, the topic only refers to Veljan Slaveski, why do some of his descendants trying to intimidate people to delete the info about their ancestor "Veljan Slavev" betrayal.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Is it fair for everybody with the surname of Slavevski to wear this stigma?

[VMRO]

The song with the lyrics Bog da go bie Veljan od Recica is wrong, it should be Bog da go ubie Veljan Slaveski, not fair for everyone else from Recica.

Бог да го убие Вељан од Речица,
нане мила нане, Вељан од Речица
што ги предаде седум осум души
Седум осум души, сè млади момчина
се млади момчиња, сите Македонци
нане мила нане, сите Македонци

Bog da go ubie Veljan od Rechica
Nane Mile Nane, Veljan Od Rechica
shto gi predade sedum osum dushi,
sedum osum dushi, se mladi momchina,
se mladi momchinja, site Makedonci,
nane mila nane, site Makedonci.

May God kill Veljan from Rechitsa,
nane dear nane, Veljan from Rechitsa,
who betrayed seven, eight peoplem
seven eight people, all young men,
all young men, all Macedonians,
nane dear nane, all Macedonians

[VMRO]

A couple of years ago, one of his descendants was on the news complaining that some airline didn't help him on the plane when he couldn't breathe, don't know if a lawsuit eventuated. His name was Sky i think if my memory serves me right.