Macedonians in Belgrade 1851

[TrueMacedonian]

[Daskalot]

No question whatsoever about whom is a Macedonian or whom is a Greek or Bulgar.

Bravo TM!!!!

[Soldier of Macedon]

Interesting text, are there not Serbs in Belgrade according to the source?

[TrueMacedonian]

http://books.google.com/books?id=vFgBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA44&dq=belgrade+macedonians&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1800&as_maxm_is=12&as_maxy_is=1860&as_brr=3

The link above is for the book. It is peculiar that Serbs, or in this case Servians, were not mentioned in that particular page. However the link will give you many pages where Servians are mentioned. As for the "greeks" in Belgrade I have something I will post later in regards of who these supposed "greeks" were

[Soldier of Macedon]

Look to the early 1800's, plenty of 'Greek' in Belgrade, from names of newspapers to the language of education.

[TrueMacedonian]

Nationalism, Orthodoxy, and Globalization page 48 by Victor Roudometof.

[TrueMacedonian]

Bump. This is an old but a goody

[Carlin]

1) "...although for a time Belgrade was almost a Vlach city, and Vienna and Budapest had recognisable Vlach colonies."

URL:

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&ei=ogbdW9HbO4jezwKKgqzwBg&q=Belgrade+was+almost+a+Vlach+city+Vienna+Budapest&oq=Belgrade+was+almost+a+Vlach+city+Vienna+Budapest&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1230.1230.0.2102.1.1.0.0.0.0.91.91.1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.5W1Ng3p1BW8

2) From Branislav Nusic, Zerek:

"The second half of Belgrade's merchant zone is Zerek. Zerek ... is the most central part and the liveliest street in Belgrade .... While in the Main zone the Christian element prevails - the Serbs and the Armani (Vlachs) - there is only one non-Christian, Ruso, the saraph; Zerek is a mixture of all faiths and all races: Serbs, Vlachs, Turks, Jews, Armenians and Bosniak Muslims, if these should be singled out as a separate element."

URL:

http://www.kodkicosa.com/zerek.htm

3) Dr Marko Atlagic, Faculty of Filosophy

"Пошто су Цинцари били добри писари, Карађорђе и други виђенији прваци Првог српског устанка нису могли без њих. Тако је Миленко Стојковић 1808. године имао тумача Цинцара, а хајдук Вељков писар, Риста Димитријевић, био је погранични Цинцар. Тај Риста је носио надимак «Лешко». Поријеклом је био из Маловишта. Он је 1853. године дошао у Гроцку, а одатле се 1893. године преселио у Смедерево. Бавио се најпре пекарством, затим дуванством, касапинством и трговином. У Смедереву је имао кафану по имену «Македонија». Иза себе је оставио два сина Ламбру и Димитрија. Риста је служио коњицу под кнезом Михаилом, а 1880. године био је и члан општинског суда. Погинуо је 1916. године."

"Since Vlachs were good scribes, Karadjordje and other champions of the First Serbian Uprising could not do without them. Thus, in 1808, Milenko Stojkovic had a Vlach interpreter, and hajduk Veljko's scribe, Rista Dimitrijevic, was a frontier Vlach. This Rista was nicknamed "Leshko". He was from Malovishte by birth. He arrived to Grocka in 1853, and in 1893 he moved to Smederevo. He first worked in baking, then tobacco, trade, etc. In Smederevo he had a Tavern called "Macedonia". He left behind two sons Lambra and Dimitri. Rista served in the cavalry under prince Mihailo, and in 1880 he was also a member of the municipal court. He died in 1916."

According to Atlagic, the most outstanding (Vlach) aristocrats were: Dimbo, Karachon, Popovic, Andrejevic, Antonovic, Zako, Djuricko, Kojic, Nikolic, Kostic, etc. The Vlachs were also a part of the Serbian aristocracy before the Uprising. They were excellent merchants and craftsmen. They were also heroes in the First Serbian Uprising and made an important contribution there.