The Macedonian Cause

[Risto the Great]

TM, culture was there from the beginning.

Volk, Justice is a great word:
правда or праведност ?

Integrity is great too:
чесност

So is sovereignty:
независност

Македонска Борба
име (name)
народ (people)
јазик (language)
култура (culture)
знакови (symbols)
историја (history)
единство (unity)
независност (sovereignty)
правда (justice)
чесност (integrity)
гордост (pride)

МАКЕДОНИЈА

I wanted 10 words ... but it is hard to reduce. In fact, a bit of arm twisting could see even more words. In the true adherence to fascistic ideology, if we wait for too much input, this could fade into obscurity. As we can see with the Macedonian Cause, so much input has clouded the message to a degree and some leadership will have to be shown to bring it back to coherence and make it actionable. Please let me know if anything offends or can be greatly improved, otherwise we are going to print on this summary!

[Volk]

Pravda Risto, in the context of Pravda za Makedonskiot Narod.
Justice - Accountability

[julie]

TM, culture was there from the beginning.

Volk, Justice is a great word:
правда or праведност ?

Integrity is great too:
чесност

So is sovereignty:
независност



I wanted 10 words ... but it is hard to reduce. In fact, a bit of arm twisting could see even more words. In the true adherence to fascistic ideology, if we wait for too much input, this could fade into obscurity. As we can see with the Macedonian Cause, so much input has clouded the message to a degree and some leadership will have to be shown to bring it back to coherence and make it actionable. Please let me know if anything offends or can be greatly improved, otherwise we are going to print on this summary!

Risto, they are all good words, do they need to be reduced to 10?

[indigen]

Indigen, well spotted ... I actually did not read the entire document.
The points of far more interest were right at the end of the document. It is good and requires much more attention. Having looked at it properly this time, it is not mutually exclusive from the Macedonian Cause, but it is very much a "rule book" for the nation. I see the Cause as something that we as Macedonians from all over the world fight for. Many of the points raised by the WMC have relevance to the cause but approach it from a different angle. We all need to look at this further. Thanks again for the heads up.

What single words in summary define the cause for you?

What single words in summary define the cause for you?

Macedonia for the Macedonians!
Macedonia always was and always will be Macedonian!

[Risto the Great]

What single words in summary define the cause for you?

Macedonia for the Macedonians!
Macedonia always was and always will be Macedonian!

I have had the first phrase in my head all along!

Македонска Борба
име (name)
народ (people)
јазик (language)
култура (culture)
знакови (symbols)
историја (history)
единство (unity)
независност (sovereignty)
правда (justice)
чесност (integrity)
гордост (pride)

МАКЕДОНИЈА ЗА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ

[Rogi]

I think достоинство (dignity) is one worthy of being there.

[Risto the Great]

I think достоинство (dignity) is one worthy of being there.

Good.

Македонска Борба
име (name)
народ (people)
јазик (language)
култура (culture)
знакови (symbols)
историја (history)
единство (unity)
независност (sovereignty)
правда (justice)
достоинство (dignity)
чесност (integrity)
гордост (pride)

МАКЕДОНИЈА ЗА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ

Rogi, I defer to your grammar skills. Are you happy with the choice of wording and endings?

[Bill77]

Risto, i don't know if you can use this word, But the first thing that comes in my mind when i think of our people (especialy in history) is,
Bravery-Храброст

Especialy the people from Egej and Pirin

[indigen]

I have had the first phrase in my head all along!

RTG, my suggestion is to use two (or three) words for clear and unambiguous political statement. The following are my suggestions:

МАКЕДОНСКАТА БОРБА (Тhe Macedonian Struggle)

Македонско самоопределување (Macedonian self-determination)
Македонско име (Macedonian name)
Македонски идентитет (Macedonian identity)
Македонски јазик (Macedonian language)
Македонски народ (Macedonian people/nation)
Македонска земја (Macedonian land)
Македонска држава (Macedonian state)
Македонска сувереност (Macedonian sovereignty)
Макдонско наследство (Macedonian heritage)
Makedonski simboli (Macedonian symbols)
Македонска култура (Macedonian culture)
Македонска историја (Macedonian history)
Македоснки континуитет (Macedonian continuity)
Македонска природа (Macedonian nature)
Македонски права (Macedonian rights)
Македоснко единство (Macedonian unity)
Македонска гордост (Macedonian pride)
Македоска свест (Macedonian consciousness)
Македонски отпор (Macedonian defiance/resistance)
Македонците - Библиски народ (The Macedonians - Biblical people)
Македонија - Библиска земја (Macedonia - Biblical land)

МАКЕДОНИЈА НА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ (Macedonia for the Macedonians)

Edna misla imame - Makedonija cela da e!
YouTube - Edna misla imame | Една мисла имаме

[Bill77]

Here is a Translator or recnik i use it might come in handy. Use the drop down link to change from English-Macedonian or Macedonian-English etc.

http://www.idividi.com.mk/recnik

[Pelister]

The "cause" should include an immediate stop to the negotiation of our historical, cultural, linguistic and national identity, if it doesn't already.

If you ask other organizations to comply with "the cause" as we define it, you can't be sure what else you are getting.

I think there needs to be an addendum to 'the cause' that lists a few core non-negotiables (suggested by Phoenix) otherwise we will have more of what we were getting from UMD.

[Soldier of Macedon]

RtG, I agree with the need to keep this list as contained as possible, one way this can be done is by delivering the messages or values in two words.

Едно Име (One Name)
Обединет Народ (United People)
Независна Земја (Sovereign Land)
Јазик и Култура (Language & Culture)
Знакови и Историја (Symbols & History)
Чесност и Гордост (Integrity & Pride)

МАКЕДОНИЈА ЗА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ

Is this something to be considered?

[aleksandrov]

...What single words in summary define the cause for you?

Risto,

I wouldn't do away with the old "Sloboda ili Smrt" just yet. If the Macedonian people free themselves from the slave mentality, all the other specific objects of the cause will follow, at least to the extent that they are consistent with our free will (keep in mind that as long as one's free will is exercised in a way that impedes on other individuals' rights and freedoms, we are not entirely a free people).

You could change the slogan to "Sloboda i Pravda, ili Smrt", which would make it consistent with the universal principles of justice reflected in the International Bill of Rights (and freedoms), but that's not quite as punchy.

“Moralnata revolucija – revolucijata vo umot, srceto i dushata na eden ropski narod, e najgolemata zadacha.” Goce Delchev

[julie]

Its always been Sloboda ili Smrt and I would like to see this slogan kept in its entirety if at all possible

[Mikail]

Its always been Sloboda ili Smrt and I would like to see this slogan kept in its entirety if at all possible

Like our name & our identity, this is something which cannot be changed.